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Reply #120 - Yesterday at 10:17am

freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:01am:

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:11pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:26pm:

Kind of ironic that Meister is so eager to point out the absurdity of religion, but holds as gospel truth that Muslims have, since Islam's founding, considered Jerusalem the site of Islam's third most holy place. With zero evidence. Just "it corresponds".

Hard to reconcile the two people.

Going for argumentum ad populum, eh!

We are talking about what people believed, so yeah.

No, you should know from your own forum advice that argumentum ad populum is about what you want people to believe.

Wow. You don't even get that either.

You're only 15, so... y'know... no one gets you... while you talk in riddles... stack your argument 3-deep in one breath... We all remember what it was like being 15.

What riddles? Are you confused about what I am asking Meister?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

See, you can't help yourself... arrested development is permanent... lifelong.

You are not intellectually capable of discerning the difference between your misrepresentation of what I wrote and what I wrote... For you, Mecca and the Kaaba are the same, or at least you think you'll get away with your misrepresentation by conflating the two.

The Kaaba and the site of the old Jewish Temple were considered equal in holiness... The Kaaba, by religious tradition, was built by Abraham and his son Ismael. The Jewish Temples were built on the site where, by religious tradition, Abraham almost sacrificed his son, Isaac, until an angel intervened.

Jerusalem was the holy city during the time of Muhammad.

Mecca was not, or at least did not compare with Jerusalem, hence the original Muslim facing of Jerusalem in prayer.

Where is the riddle Meister?

So, an adult has intervened, I'd bet, and you're down to the rats and mice of whatever's left of your BS...

Did the adult explain to you the difference between the Kaaba and Mecca in Muhammad's time? Between the status of ancient Mecca in Muhammad's time and Jerusalem? Between Jerusalem and the Temple Mount?

Next is to see if you can focus your attention on the Middle East and Christianised Europe's universal awareness of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in Muhammad's time... particularly the state of desecration this holiest of sites was allowed to remain in since its destruction by the Romans over 600 years before.

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Reply #121 - Yesterday at 11:31am

Just to emphasise the relationship between ancient Judaism and Islam, Jesus, his brother James and, by religious tradition, all of Jesus’ physically chosen apostles, would have felt right at home with the religiosity of Muslims and the Jewish Haredi of today.

Jesus message of ‘the way’ was of a rededication to Mosaic Law to hasten the coming of the Kingdom of God.

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Reply #122 - Yesterday at 2:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 11:31am:

Just to emphasise the relationship between ancient Judaism and Islam, Jesus, his brother James and, by religious tradition, all of Jesus’ physically chosen apostles, would have felt right at home with the religiosity of Muslims and the Jewish Haredi of today.

Jesus message of ‘the way’ was of a rededication to Mosaic Law to hasten the coming of the Kingdom of God.

So the Sanhedri (jewish supreme court) wanted the Romans to kill Jesus because his 'message of 'the way' was a rededication to Mosaic Law'.

The New Testament is the Old Testament reiterated.

The message of love, kindness above empty ritual is just the reiteation of the blind ritualistic, performative rdliogiosity of orthodox Muslims and Jews.

The Jews rejected Mohamed because he was jusg like them.

"Everything is just like everything else".

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Reply #123 - Yesterday at 2:29pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 11:31am:

Just to emphasise the relationship between ancient Judaism and Islam, Jesus, his brother James and, by religious tradition, all of Jesus’ physically chosen apostles, would have felt right at home with the religiosity of Muslims and the Jewish Haredi of today.

Jesus message of ‘the way’ was of a rededication to Mosaic Law to hasten the coming of the Kingdom of God.

So the Sanhedri (jewish supreme court) wanted the Romans to kill Jesus because his 'message of 'the way' was a rededication to Mosaic Law'.

The New Testament is the Old Testament reiterated.

The message of love, kindness above empty ritual is just the reiteation of the blind ritualistic, performative rdliogiosity of orthodox Muslims and Jews.

The Jews rejected Mohamed because he was jusg like them.

"Everything is just like everything else".

The Sanhedrin were collaborators with Rome. They worked with the Roman procurator to maintain order and ensure taxes and tributes were paid to Rome. In return, the procurator provided military protection to the priest caste and ensured their status and authority remained unchallenged. To ensure this arrangement persisted, the procurator took possession of the priestly vestments, without which the Temple priests lacked the authority to enforce Temple law.

As for Religious law, the Romans had no interest and left it to the Sanhedrin and Temple guards to manage, and, when permitted, would be allowed to wear the priestly vestments to enforce religious law.

Jesus, and later his brother, James, for 30 years after the crucifixion, were open and severe critics of the Sanhedrin's corruption and collaborators with Rome.

After Jesus' crucifixion, succeeding procurators became unwilling to be used by the Sanhedrin for its dirty work, having learned from the consequences of Pilate being all too keen on over-reacting, and refused to sit in judgement on anyone accused of a religious crime. It's why James survived for 30 years after the crucifixion, despite the High Priests' attempts to have procurators act against James for 'sedition' for persisting with his criticism of their corruption.

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Reply #124 - Yesterday at 2:43pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 2:02pm:

The Jews rejected Mohamed because he was jusg like them.

Jews have rejected all alternatives or deviations from the Mosaic Law of the Torah and the Talmud - From Jesus of the Pauline tradition, the Christians, their Popes, Cardinals, Patriarchs and Bishops, to Muhammad, the Muslims, their Imams, Mullahs, Ayatollahs...

This refusal is what turned Martin Luther into the rabid Jew persecutor and encourager of Jew killers, he notoriously became.

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Reply #125 - Yesterday at 2:45pm

The long and the short of it is that the messagge of Jesus waa radicaly different and new, compared to orthodox Jewish and Muslim religiosity, the latter two being performative and rigidly ritualistic while Jesus was preaching a new covenant with god bsed not on performance and ritual but emphasising matters of the heart and character: love of god and love of neighbour.

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Reply #126 - Yesterday at 2:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 2:02pm:

The Jews rejected Mohamed because he was jusg like them.

Jews have rejected all alternatives or deviations from the Mosaic Law of the Torah and the Talmud - From Jesus of the Pauline tradition, the Christians, their Popes, Cardinals, Patriarchs and Bishops, to Muhammad, the Muslims, their Imams, Mullahs, Ayatollahs...

This refusal is what turned Martin Luther into the rabid Jew persecutor and encourager of Jew killers, he notoriously became.

But a minute ago you said that Jesus was rededicating the Mosaic law.
You cant have him both as a rededicator and a blasphemer.

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Reply #127 - Yesterday at 2:54pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 2:45pm:

The long and the short of it is that the messagge of Jesus waa radicaly different and new, compared to orthodox Jewish and Muslim religiosity, the latter two being performative and rigidly ritualistic while Jesus was preaching a new covenant with god bsed not on performance and ritual but emphasising matters of the heart and character: love of god and love of neighbour.

Little is agreed on what Jesus' actual message was, except that he and his brother spoke of the Kingdom of God, keeping the Law, compassion for the poor and the encouragement of peaceful coexistence with non-Jews.

Both Jesus and James saw the futility of a Jewish armed struggle against Rome, which was proved correct only 30 years after the crucifixion, and only a few years after James' murder.

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Reply #128 - Yesterday at 3:05pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 2:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 2:02pm:

The Jews rejected Mohamed because he was jusg like them.

Jews have rejected all alternatives or deviations from the Mosaic Law of the Torah and the Talmud - From Jesus of the Pauline tradition, the Christians, their Popes, Cardinals, Patriarchs and Bishops, to Muhammad, the Muslims, their Imams, Mullahs, Ayatollahs...

This refusal is what turned Martin Luther into the rabid Jew persecutor and encourager of Jew killers, he notoriously became.

But a minute ago you said that Jesus was rededicating the Mosaic law.
You cant have him both as a rededicator and a blasphemer.

Neither Jesus nor his brother, James, was a blasphemer. It was their vehement criticism of the Sanhedrin's corruption and collaboration with Rome in pilfering wealth from ordinary Jews that provoked the priests' anger. The 'Jesus attack on the Temple money changers' story was an attack on the Sanhedrin's defrauding of observant (mainly diaspora) Jews, particularly during high holy days.

The multiple attempts to have James done in by a Roman procurator, as they'd had Jesus done in, (and on the same charge), prove that they were still existentially threatened by the message of 'the way' which, by every Jewish account, was strictly in keeping with Mosaic Law, hence the deep respect Jews had for James, and his being known among them as 'The Just' (being greatly more well-known than Jesus among Jews of Jerusalem).

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Reply #130 - Yesterday at 3:22pm

It's important to note that James became a mortal enemy of Paul because James had come to realise that Paul was attempting to pervert the message of 'the way', even after James had acceded to a looser commitment to Mosaic Law for Gentiles, such as the absolving from the rite of circumcision, which Greeks and Romans had simply refused to perform on the grounds that it was indecent and barbaric, and many of the dietary laws, which non-Jews also simply refused to keep.

Paul was emphasising words over deeds, that belief in Jesus as a Messiah was enough to ensure divine salvation without necessary deeds, and other pronouncements... James ultimately excommunicated Paul from the Jerusalem community as a heretic.

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Reply #131 - Yesterday at 4:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 3:22pm:

It's important to note that James became a mortal enemy of Paul because James had come to realise that Paul was attempting to pervert the message of 'the way', even after James had acceded to a looser commitment to Mosaic Law for Gentiles, such as the absolving from the rite of circumcision, which Greeks and Romans had simply refused to perform on the grounds that it was indecent and barbaric, and many of the dietary laws, which non-Jews also simply refused to keep.

Paul was emphasising words over deeds, that belief in Jesus as a Messiah was enough to ensure divine salvation without necessary deeds, and other pronouncements... James ultimately excommunicated Paul from the Jerusalem community as a heretic.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Modern historians align with verifiable facts in the way ancient historians aligned with the intended subjective/emotional effects of the narrative.

Notwithstanding that religious narrative was usually zealously defended by religious elites/ rulers/ the state.

You aint no modern historian, pal.

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Reply #132 - Yesterday at 4:58pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 4:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 3:22pm:

It's important to note that James became a mortal enemy of Paul because James had come to realise that Paul was attempting to pervert the message of 'the way', even after James had acceded to a looser commitment to Mosaic Law for Gentiles, such as the absolving from the rite of circumcision, which Greeks and Romans had simply refused to perform on the grounds that it was indecent and barbaric, and many of the dietary laws, which non-Jews also simply refused to keep.

Paul was emphasising words over deeds, that belief in Jesus as a Messiah was enough to ensure divine salvation without necessary deeds, and other pronouncements... James ultimately excommunicated Paul from the Jerusalem community as a heretic.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Modern historians align with verifiable facts in the way ancient historians aligned with the intended subjective/emotional effects of the narrative.

Notwithstanding that religious narrative was usually zealously defended by religious elites/ rulers/ the state.

You aint no modern historian, pal.

That one line tells me you haven't even read Acts, nevermind modern religious historians.

Time for your big wank, before you explode into one of your bitch rants.

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Reply #133 - Yesterday at 5:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 4:58pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 4:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 3:22pm:

It's important to note that James became a mortal enemy of Paul because James had come to realise that Paul was attempting to pervert the message of 'the way', even after James had acceded to a looser commitment to Mosaic Law for Gentiles, such as the absolving from the rite of circumcision, which Greeks and Romans had simply refused to perform on the grounds that it was indecent and barbaric, and many of the dietary laws, which non-Jews also simply refused to keep.

Paul was emphasising words over deeds, that belief in Jesus as a Messiah was enough to ensure divine salvation without necessary deeds, and other pronouncements... James ultimately excommunicated Paul from the Jerusalem community as a heretic.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Modern historians align with verifiable facts in the way ancient historians aligned with the intended subjective/emotional effects of the narrative.

Notwithstanding that religious narrative was usually zealously defended by religious elites/ rulers/ the state.

You aint no modern historian, pal.

That one line tells me you haven't even read Acts, nevermind modern religious historians.

Time for your big wank, before you explode into one of your bitch rants.

There is nothing in Acts about Paul being excommunicated.
Nor about 'mortal enemies'.
You referenced no modern historians, nor Acts, only wanking and bitching..

( your instant psychosexual reflex in response to any disagreement is noted)

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