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All of the Muslim "holy sites" in Israel are fairly recent historical inventions. Mostly Muslims trying to make a bit of money of the religious fervor.

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

All sites associated with the Abrahamic prophets have always been holy in Islam.

Muhammad never made any reference at all to a mosque in modern day Israel. Jerusalem is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran. Muhammad never actually travelled to Jerusalem, or anywhere near Israel, other than in his mystical "night journey" referred to in Surah 17. Scholars immediately after his death debated whether Surah 17 (now taken to be a reference to the mosque) was a place in heaven or somewhere near Mecca.

Later Caliphs built a wooden mosque somewhere in the area, but no-one knows where.

Eventually Muslims started to link Surah 17 with a mosque at the current location, but this is more a reflection of the effective propaganda by Muslim leaders who wanted to promote the mosque rather than a basis in Islam's founding.

Can you find a single reference that identifies the location in Jerusalem from either before Muhammad died or before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

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Reply #2 - Today at 10:59am

freediver wrote Today at 10:09am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 9:54am:

freediver wrote Today at 9:44am:

All of the Muslim "holy sites" in Israel are fairly recent historical inventions. Mostly Muslims trying to make a bit of money of the religious fervor.

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

All sites associated with the Abrahamic prophets have always been holy in Islam.

Muhammad never made any reference at all to a mosque in modern day Israel. Jerusalem is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran. Muhammad never actually travelled to Jerusalem, or anywhere near Israel, other than in his mystical "night journey" referred to in Surah 17. Scholars immediately after his death debated whether Surah 17 (now taken to be a reference to the mosque) was a place in heaven or somewhere near Mecca.

Later Caliphs built a wooden mosque somewhere in the area, but no-one knows where.

Eventually Muslims started to link Surah 17 with a mosque at the current location, but this is more a reflection of the effective propaganda by Muslim leaders who wanted to promote the mosque rather than a basis in Islam's founding.

Can you find a single reference that identifies the location in Jerusalem from either before Muhammad died or before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

This is how I know you've never had any religious education or education on the history of religions.

Doesn't stop you farting out an 'opinion', but.

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion... You could try Googling it... but it might break your brain.

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

Can you find a single reference that identifies the location of the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem from either before Muhammad died or before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if they had never heard of it, nor been there?

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Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
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Reply #5 - Today at 11:14am

freediver wrote Today at 11:07am:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

Can you find a single reference that identifies the location of the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem from either before Muhammad died or before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if they had never heard of it, nor been there?

The myth of Muhammad's night flight from Mecca to the site of the al-Aqsa Mosque was mentioned in the 17th surah of the Qur'an, Al-Isra, which was revealed during the Meccan period (approx. 615–619 CE).

I'll leave you to Google why the site is holy to all three Abrahamic religions.

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Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

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Reply #7 - Today at 11:31am

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:17am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:12am:

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Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

Googling shows that you don't know the subject.

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Reply #8 - Today at 11:35am

tallowood wrote Today at 11:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:17am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:12am:

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Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

Googling shows that you don't know the subject.

Well, you don't... Do you have another way? Buying a book?

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Reply #9 - Today at 11:43am

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:35am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:17am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:12am:

Quote:

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

Googling shows that you don't know the subject.

Well, you don't... Do you have another way? Buying a book?

No, you don't but you fantasize a lot. Have you tried to write a book of melodrama fantasies?

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Reply #10 - Today at 11:53am

tallowood wrote Today at 11:43am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:35am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:17am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:12am:

Quote:

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

Googling shows that you don't know the subject.

Well, you don't... Do you have another way? Buying a book?

No, you don't but you fantasize a lot. Have you tried to write a book of melodrama fantasies?

Here’s some homework for you…

What were Paul’s thoughts on the miracles??

What did Peter say of them to Paul during the years they traveled together?

What did James say to Paul about Paul’s deviation from the message of ‘the way’?

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Reply #11 - Today at 11:57am

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:53am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:43am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:35am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:17am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:12am:

Quote:

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

Googling shows that you don't know the subject.

Well, you don't... Do you have another way? Buying a book?

No, you don't but you fantasize a lot. Have you tried to write a book of melodrama fantasies?

Here’s some homework for you…

What were Paul’s thoughts on the miracles??

What did Peter say of them to Paul during the years they traveled together?

What did James say to Paul about Paul’s deviation from the message of ‘the way’?

They said nothing about al-Aqsa Mosque, which proves that you are not in the topic Grin

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Reply #12 - Today at 12:00pm

tallowood wrote Today at 11:57am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:53am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:43am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:35am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:17am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:12am:

Quote:

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

Googling shows that you don't know the subject.

Well, you don't... Do you have another way? Buying a book?

No, you don't but you fantasize a lot. Have you tried to write a book of melodrama fantasies?

Here’s some homework for you…

What were Paul’s thoughts on the miracles??

What did Peter say of them to Paul during the years they traveled together?

What did James say to Paul about Paul’s deviation from the message of ‘the way’?

They said nothing about al-Aqsa Mosque, which proves that you are not in the topic Grin

They said and did a lot about the site of the al-Aqua mosque… but you wouldn’t know.that…

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Reply #13 - Today at 12:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:14am:

freediver wrote Today at 11:07am:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

Can you find a single reference that identifies the location of the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem from either before Muhammad died or before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if they had never heard of it, nor been there?

The myth of Muhammad's night flight from Mecca to the site of the al-Aqsa Mosque was mentioned in the 17th surah of the Qur'an, Al-Isra, which was revealed during the Meccan period (approx. 615–619 CE).

I'll leave you to Google why the site is holy to all three Abrahamic religions.

I talked about Surah 17 in the opening post Meister. Did you not notice?

The current site, in Jerusalem, is not mentioned in Surah 17. The Surah also does not refer to "the site of the Mosque". It literally says "the farthest Mosque". Hence the debate among scholars at the time as to whether he was referring to an actual mosque, somewhere near Mecca, or some place in heaven.

Is it too much to ask that you at least make sense Meister?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the location of the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem from either before Muhammad died or before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if they had never heard of it, nor been there?

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Reply #14 - Today at 12:07pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 12:00pm:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:57am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:53am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:43am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:35am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:31am:

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 11:17am:

tallowood wrote Today at 11:12am:

Quote:

Neither Jesus nor Muhammad advocated for a new religion

Jesus did not advocate for "Christianity" as a formal, distinct religion, nor did he use the term.
As a Jew, Jesus lived, taught, and died within Judaism. He focused on fulfilling the Law of Moses, preaching the Kingdom of God.

On another hand Muhammad is regarded by Muslims as the founder of Islam and was the primary advocate who preached and established its teachings
.

Geez, can't you lot be arsed even Googling reliable religious sources?

Muhammad did not advocate for a new religion. He advocated for a rededication of the children of Ishmael to the laws of Allah as revealed to the prophets, himself included.

Googling shows that you don't know the subject.

Well, you don't... Do you have another way? Buying a book?

No, you don't but you fantasize a lot. Have you tried to write a book of melodrama fantasies?

Here’s some homework for you…

What were Paul’s thoughts on the miracles??

What did Peter say of them to Paul during the years they traveled together?

What did James say to Paul about Paul’s deviation from the message of ‘the way’?

They said nothing about al-Aqsa Mosque, which proves that you are not in the topic Grin

They said and did a lot about the site of the al-Aqua mosque… but you wouldn’t know.that…

Stop lying, they talked about Jewish Temple not about al-Aqua mosque.

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