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Re: For the Renewables Numpties.
Reply #15 - Yesterday at 6:01pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 1:13pm:

Wind turbines do not use diesel to generate electricity when the wind is not blowing.

Yes they do, just not for the grid. It is to stop the bearings false brinelling.

Fair enough, if you want to be pedantic about it, but it is still not the turbine that generates the electricity.

Even conventional power stations require power when they are not generating power. But still not something for Gnads to blow his mind over.

Seems to me you're the one who has blown his mind trying prove something that was never said.

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Reply #16 - Yesterday at 6:06pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:25pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 4:11pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:

if you want to be pedantic about it, but it is still not the turbine that generates the electricity.

So where was that claimed?

Gnads was too confused to actually say anything.

I know of at least one coal fired power station that ran into trouble because they needed mains power to start back up, but the gird was down, because the power station was down....

Funnily enough, they had the same solution as the wind turbines in the OP.

No green weiner you're the one confused.

They don't use mains power to light a coal fired boiler.

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Power station coal-fired boilers are lit through a carefully controlled process that uses auxiliary fuels, typically fuel oil or natural gas, to raise the boiler temperature before introducing pulverized coal.

Because coal requires high temperatures to ignite, oil or gas burners (igniters) are used to create an initial, stable fire, which then transitions to burning coal once the furnace is hot enough.

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Reply #17 - Yesterday at 6:07pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 5:29pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:25pm:

I know of at least one coal fired power station that ran into trouble because they needed mains power to start back up, but the gird was down, because the power station was down....

Ah so they didn't check the batteries. Roll Eyes

If you are trying to say that Gnads went a little hysterical and started a new thread with lots of crayons over a trivial non-issue, I agree with you. That is the point I was trying to make. If you are trying to say something else, perhaps you should come out and say it. Don't be shy. I'm sure you aren't as confused as Gnads.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52353 At my desk.	Re: For the Renewables Numpties. Reply #18 - Yesterday at 6:08pm Quote: They don't use mains power to light a coal fired boiler. You are confused Gnads. Where did I say that?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32894 Gender:	Re: For the Renewables Numpties. Reply #19 - Yesterday at 6:08pm freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:27pm: lee wrote Yesterday at 5:26pm: freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:25pm: Gnads was too confused to actually say anything. So he didn't say it. Ok then. He didn't say anything at all. Because he was so confused. Sigmund Freud you are not.
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Reply #20 - Yesterday at 6:09pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 6:07pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 5:29pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:25pm:

I know of at least one coal fired power station that ran into trouble because they needed mains power to start back up, but the gird was down, because the power station was down....

Ah so they didn't check the batteries. Roll Eyes

If you are trying to say that Gnads went a little hysterical and started a new thread with lots of crayons over a trivial non-issue, I agree with you. That is the point I was trying to make. If you are trying to say something else, perhaps you should come out and say it. Don't be shy. I'm sure you aren't as confused as Gnads.

A trivial issue for a renewable green numpty like you maybe. Grin

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Reply #21 - Yesterday at 6:20pm

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 6:09pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 6:07pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 5:29pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:25pm:

I know of at least one coal fired power station that ran into trouble because they needed mains power to start back up, but the gird was down, because the power station was down....

Ah so they didn't check the batteries. Roll Eyes

If you are trying to say that Gnads went a little hysterical and started a new thread with lots of crayons over a trivial non-issue, I agree with you. That is the point I was trying to make. If you are trying to say something else, perhaps you should come out and say it. Don't be shy. I'm sure you aren't as confused as Gnads.

A trivial issue for a renewable green numpty like you maybe. Grin

For anyone with half a brain.

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Reply #22 - Yesterday at 6:30pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:25pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 4:11pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:

if you want to be pedantic about it, but it is still not the turbine that generates the electricity.

So where was that claimed?

Gnads was too confused to actually say anything.

I know of at least one coal fired power station that ran into trouble because they needed mains power to start back up, but the gird was down, because the power station was down....

Funnily enough, they had the same solution as the wind turbines in the OP.

Power stations have diesel generators that make enough power for black starts.

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Reply #23 - Yesterday at 6:31pm

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 6:30pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 5:25pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 4:11pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:50pm:

if you want to be pedantic about it, but it is still not the turbine that generates the electricity.

So where was that claimed?

Gnads was too confused to actually say anything.

I know of at least one coal fired power station that ran into trouble because they needed mains power to start back up, but the gird was down, because the power station was down....

Funnily enough, they had the same solution as the wind turbines in the OP.

Power stations have diesel generators that make enough power for black starts.

Now they do.

Funny thing is, they are just like the wind turbines that Gnads is getting all worked up over, for reasons he cannot bring himself to state.

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Reply #24 - Yesterday at 6:33pm

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 5:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 1:12pm:

Gnads wrote Yesterday at 12:42pm:

Stop and THINK about THIS you GREEN WEINERS...

Wind Farms North of Casper Report Driver Shortage for Underground Diesel Refueling Operations -

(Whiners?)

I 'smelt' a lot of 'hot air' from Gnads, so I checked:

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No, wind farms do not require fossil fuels to keep them running (spinning) when the wind is not blowing. When the wind stops, the turbines stop, and they simply wait for the wind to return.
While some myths suggest that natural gas or diesel engines keep turbines spinning to prevent damage, this is not true; using fossil fuels to turn turbines would be inefficient and wasteful.

Try again.

Maybe a community not connected to the grid, relying on a (somewhat distant) wind turbine for power, might choose to power the local grid by spinning the turbine via a deisel generator (hence your photo) to reduce the noise of a diesel generator located in the community itself, though I'm not sure if that is feasible.

No weiners - as in dickheads. It's a bit of an Americanism but I thought you being a knowledgeable man of the world would get the inference?

Obviously not.

Then you refute the claim without a shred of evidence.

How typical.

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Diesel generators are generally not used to turn wind turbine blades to generate electricity, but they are frequently used in the wind industry for temporary construction, maintenance, commissioning, and as emergency backup power for critical systems. They do not "power" the turbine's normal operation but ensure safety during grid failures or cold conditions.

Now dickhead - no one said they powered the wind turbine - that would be just stupid. But they are used for a variety of reasons in the operation of a wind turbine.

That said I stand by the article I posted that they are a part of wind turbine operations whether in temp start up, maintenance or to assist with systems when it's too cold.

There should be no fossil fuel back up or assistance for any part of so called "renewables" operations.

The object is to use the least amount of fossil fuels, however that forms itself.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52353 At my desk.	Re: For the Renewables Numpties. Reply #25 - Yesterday at 6:35pm Quote: Now dickhead - no one said they powered the wind turbine - that would be just stupid. What are you actually trying to say Gnads? I see a lot of crayons, but no explanation for your hysteria.
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