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Reply #90 - Feb 17th, 2026 at 6:52pm
 
chimera wrote on Feb 17th, 2026 at 6:48pm:
It's not natural as it's a matter of choice to act in defence and the manner of doing it.  'Natural' means as in nature, instinctive, and that is far from civil social humanity.

Well you'll be dead meat then won't you, if you hesitate to wonder if you are legally in the right. It's called being Dead Right.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #91 - Feb 17th, 2026 at 7:01pm
 
Dead? You mean any problem means an attack on your life?
There seem to be lots of hysterical posters here.
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Reply #92 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 11:38am
 
chimera wrote on Feb 17th, 2026 at 6:48pm:
It's not natural as it's a matter of choice to act in defence and the manner of doing it.  'Natural' means as in nature, instinctive, and that is far from civil social humanity.

It’s natural to me; my Government paid good money to teach me to kill and the various ways of doing so.
It also taught me self defence and taught not to hesitate to open fire (strike, stab, whatever) if in a life threatening situation, in fact to ‘’waste’’ ammunition by firing just before coming on target, a fraction of a second can mean the difference between life and death at 2,000 feet per second muzzle velocity (or thereabouts).
A person who is unlawfully attacked is not morally bound to spend time assessing the situation but is morally justified in responding instantly.
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Reply #93 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 11:53am
 
So you feel natural like a spider or snake? And soldiers who return to civilian life have the same right as soldiers in war?  Any threat gets a bullet because you have the training?
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Reply #94 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:06pm
 
Evil doesn't care if you are nice and lawful.
Evil hopes that you will be.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #95 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:18pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:06pm:
Evil doesn't care if you are nice and lawful.
Evil hopes that you will be.


Yes that's the situation between individuals, where instinct serves a purpose in nature's slaughterhouse.

But humans CAN - in the aggregate - engage  their cortex brains, in order to resist resorting to violence, when considering war as a dispute settlement operation.

But the catch is enough humans need to support international law, to outlaw war...

Maybe oneday, when nationalism is recognized as being destructive of collective wellbeing.


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Reply #96 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 3:59pm
 
This is getting too woofy. One word covers everything, which isn't reality. 
(hoi - there are police, judges, jails. It's trendy, from New Zealand or somewhere like that)
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Reply #97 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 7:19pm
 
chimera wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 11:53am:
So you feel natural like a spider or snake? And soldiers who return to civilian life have the same right as soldiers in war?  Any threat gets a bullet because you have the training?

No they don’t and only a fool would think that they do, but everyone has the right to defend themselves against unlawful attack and they don’t have to analyse the motives of the attacker, if anyone who is so attacked feels that their life is in danger then they may legally and morally kill to defend themselves.
It is not up to the victim to place themselves in mortal danger.
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Reply #98 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 7:23pm
 
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What rights do you have?


Australians tend to be treated rather well considering that we don't really have any rights at all.
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Reply #99 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 7:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:18pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:06pm:
Evil doesn't care if you are nice and lawful.
Evil hopes that you will be.


Yes that's the situation between individuals, where instinct serves a purpose in nature's slaughterhouse.

But humans CAN - in the aggregate - engage  their cortex brains, in order to resist resorting to violence, when considering war as a dispute settlement operation.

But the catch is enough humans need to support international law, to outlaw war...

Maybe oneday, when nationalism is recognized as being destructive of collective wellbeing.



Enough humans supported International Law in the 1920s, they’d just had ‘’the war to end all wars’’ but Franco, Hitler and ultimately Mussolini had other ideas.
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Reply #100 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:18pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:06pm:
Evil doesn't care if you are nice and lawful.
Evil hopes that you will be.


Yes that's the situation between individuals, where instinct serves a purpose in nature's slaughterhouse.

But humans CAN - in the aggregate - engage  their cortex brains, in order to resist resorting to violence, when considering war as a dispute settlement operation.

But the catch is enough humans need to support international law, to outlaw war...

Maybe oneday, when nationalism is recognized as being destructive of collective wellbeing.



Tell that to the Mori-Ori of the Chatham Islands.
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Reply #101 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 7:54pm
 

dear JaSin,

“You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
You have the right to an attorney.
If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.
Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?”.
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Reply #102 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 8:06pm
 
The People As Sovereign - as advanced into the twenty first century - means that EVERY citizen has the right to rule - not the politicians etc.

I've discussed the faults of 'sovereign citizenship' with you already - get your minds around it all.

Essentially at the end of the day we have the right to reject unjust laws - an unust law being no law at all - tyranny, discrimination, abuse of office, removal of equal rights (to BE a right a right must apply equally to everyone), and outright preference to some over others =nepotism in favour of the insiders - the chosen ones.

We can even reject injustice etc in the same way as the US Declaration of Independence did......

"But, when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object (abolition of the Forms to which the populace are accustomed), evinces a Design to reduce them under Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."


Here is an example:-

Peasant 1:- “Oo are you then?”

Albo:- “I am your Great Leader, and I bring you the Indigenous Voice!”

Peasant 1:- “Oo created this Indigenous Voice then? What's it based on?”

Albo (heavenly music):- “The Great Serpent, filled with the power of the seas and the skies and the thunder and lightning in the clouds, came down from Heaven, and using his great body, carved the hills and river courses, and then dying, his mighty ribs created the mountains and his bones the Indigenous People to be custodians over the land and gave them a Voice over all in the land which must be restored to them ….......”

Peasant 2:- “Some failed herpetological experiment is no basis on which to form a valid argument to develop a multi-layered government by changing the Constitution! True government comes from a mandate of the masses, willingly given and fully informed! We're a semi-autonomous, quasi-anarchic egalitarian assemblage of rules-bound free individuals who vote every three years on our elected representatives, who then sit down and natter out the best way forward, and if we disagree with them we can write to them or vote them out next time around, or even refuse to abide by their dictates under the guiding principle that 'an unjust law – (or decision or policy for that matter) thanks, Reg – is no law - (or decision or policy for that matter) – thanks again, Reg - at all'!

We don't need no Voices in our heads telling us what to do!!”


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Reply #103 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 8:17pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:18pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 12:06pm:
Evil doesn't care if you are nice and lawful.
Evil hopes that you will be.


Yes that's the situation between individuals, where instinct serves a purpose in nature's slaughterhouse.

But humans CAN - in the aggregate - engage  their cortex brains, in order to resist resorting to violence, when considering war as a dispute settlement operation.

But the catch is enough humans need to support international law, to outlaw war...

Maybe oneday, when nationalism is recognized as being destructive of collective wellbeing.



Tell that to the Mori-Ori of the Chatham Islands.

Yes, they were peaceful people and were murdered for sport by the Maori , not in warfare but just casually the way some people would kick a dog.
I have read one account by an English man of a Maori murdering a Mori-Ori man on a whim.

Then there was the sea journey from New Zealand by Maoris to the Chatham Islands for the express purpose of murdering the men and teenage boys and raping the women.
A venture that was very successful.
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Reply #104 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 8:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 7:54pm:
dear JaSin,

“You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
You have the right to an attorney.
If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.
Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?”.


Bobby these are USA rights provided by their constitution - we do not have that. The only right we tend to have in this regard is the right to be silent - to a point.

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Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.


This always seems to be strange to me. It is saying that it is manditory that what you say will be used against you. It isn't given as optional. So by this it would mean that if you tell the police that you had toast for breakfast that is is manditory that they use this as evidence against you.
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