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Re: What rights do you have?
Reply #75 - Feb 10^th, 2026 at 4:53pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 9^th, 2026 at 8:55am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 9^th, 2026 at 12:07am:

we do not have any rights.
it's just what others may luckily or by their 'goodness' allow us to have.

eg, we have the right to clean drinking water, as long as it comes out of our taps.

Do you think the state is just whimsically virtue-signalling when it makes good on its granting of rights by defending them, by force if necessary, with blood and treasure?

what happens when the govt runs out of blood or treasure?

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14970 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #76 - Feb 10^th, 2026 at 5:09pm Might is right so bankruptcy is wrong.
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Re: What rights do you have?
Reply #77 - Feb 10^th, 2026 at 5:42pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 10^th, 2026 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 9^th, 2026 at 8:55am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 9^th, 2026 at 12:07am:

we do not have any rights.
it's just what others may luckily or by their 'goodness' allow us to have.

eg, we have the right to clean drinking water, as long as it comes out of our taps.

Do you think the state is just whimsically virtue-signalling when it makes good on its granting of rights by defending them, by force if necessary, with blood and treasure?

what happens when the govt runs out of blood or treasure?

With treasure, it borrows more.

If it runs out of blood, it collapses.

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Re: What rights do you have?
Reply #78 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:36am

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2026 at 4:05pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2026 at 3:30pm:

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"Do something"?

Surely depends on what you are considering doing......

Have you ever noticed that when you chop a sentence in half, you change the meaning, and get yourself all confused?

Thanks for the chuckle....

Have you ever noticed how you attempt to prove your case, by stringing several individually-contestable ideas together?

For the question I am asking, it does not depend on what you are doing, or whether it is good or bad, moral or immoral. You are completely missing the point again.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14970 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #79 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:08am We have the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. For each person, the pursuit means owning the whole world. There are 8 billion contestants and so it becomes tricky to get it right.
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Reply #80 - Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:05am

⏰ TIMESTAMPS (adjust to final cut):
0:00 – The uncomfortable truth about your “rights” in Australia
1:07 – What these new hate speech & risk-based laws really do
2:03 – Extending Australia’s reach beyond its borders
2:55 – Risk over proof – why that should worry you
3:49 – More power to ministers, less to courts
4:45 - It's Not Your Actions, It's Who You're with
5:22 - The Implied Freedom to Political Communication
7:11 - A two-tier system for speech and belief
8:08 - Who is Immune to these laws?
9:48 - Criminal Law, Surveillance and Immigration
10:32 - Lower legal thresholds
11:19 - Does this apply retrospectively?
12:10 - What happened to due process?
12:35 – Can these laws be repealed – and how?
13:02 - How did this happen?
13:22 – What you can do next

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14970 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #81 - Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:22am I know my rights. Gonna join terrorists, go to parliament and fight like hell or lose my country.
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Re: What rights do you have?
Reply #82 - Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:32am

A people get the freedoms they deserve.

Australians are hypersensitive to American-style street violence taking root in Australia.

Enough Australians consider vituperative speech against an ethnicity, culture, religion, or any social group to be a form of street violence that must be stamped out, as if it were physical violence, for preemptive restrictions on free speech and association to be politically worth the loss of personal freedoms.

And don't blame the politicians...

Who do the people blame for a violent incident when it occurs?

From whom do the people demand that immediate and severe laws be enacted to 'nip it in the bud'?

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14970 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #83 - Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:41am Domestic violence is police failure. Machete violence is Afro. Tobacco violence is Mid East. Antisemitism is forbidden and loses Jewish donations to Parties.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16693 Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #84 - Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:57am chimera wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:41am: Domestic violence is police failure. Machete violence is Afro. Tobacco violence is Mid East. Antisemitism is forbidden and loses Jewish donations to Parties. And 'the gummint' and 'Pieminster' are to blame.
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Reply #85 - Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:09am

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2026 at 8:50pm:

In this thread Meister argued you can tell what rights you have by referring to the correct paperwork, not by say, referring to the reality you are faced with:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1769497620/225

But he could not answer the simple question:

Do you believe that you have the right to do something, even if the consistent and predictable result of doing it is someone trying to kill you - because pieces of paper trump reality?

He gives several dozen "responses" to the question, but not a single answer.

I tend to think Great Britain faced that dilemma with Nazi Germany, although the United Kingdom of Royalty held the paper 📜

In colonisation. The Laws and paperwork are always 'behind' the counter and it's the reality that forces them to keep up.

The reality is that Islam & Aboriginalism serves Africa, not Australia.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14970 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #86 - Feb 13^th, 2026 at 10:14am You got it. Chamberlain was the king's servant of paperwork. Kangaroo hunters are African and throw the swastika to make a killing.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3572 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #87 - Feb 17^th, 2026 at 6:02pm Self defence is a natural right.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 55547 Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #88 - Feb 17^th, 2026 at 6:47pm ...a natural reflex before any conscious legal decision.
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14970 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #89 - Feb 17^th, 2026 at 6:48pm It's not natural as it's a matter of choice to act in defence and the manner of doing it. 'Natural' means as in nature, instinctive, and that is far from civil social humanity.
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