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chimera wrote Today at 7:31am:
It's ironic that in the centre of US democracy, guns are banned in the Capitol.
In Oz parliament, speaking by spectators is forbidden and even taking notes is banned. 'Rights' is a wobbly word.

There are no absolute or inalienable rights.

That which is granted can be curbed, restricted or withdrawn.
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Reply #61 - Today at 9:05am
 
The colony of 1788 began with no rights and they were gradually permitted by HM men. But land title can be lost by government resumption and conscription can force men into the army or be jailed. Just a signature will do it.
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chimera wrote Today at 9:05am:
The colony of 1788 began with no rights and they were gradually permitted by HM men. But land title can be lost by government resumption and conscription can force men into the army or be jailed. Just a signature will do it.

Well, parliament is sovereign.

So-called freemen did not enter the colony without granted rights.

Arthur Phillip established the colony of NSW as a slave-free colony... "There can be no slavery in a free land, and consequently no slaves".

Of course, he didn't need the black kind; he had the white kind, deemed bonded into servitude by parliament.
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Reply #63 - Today at 9:36am
 
Freemen were less free than in UK as the early governors did a yearly inspection of farms to ensure civic respectability. Convicts were assigned as slave labour.  Macquarie even flogged freemen for pinching his vegies.
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Reply #64 - Today at 9:51am
 
chimera wrote Today at 9:36am:
Freemen were less free than in UK as the early governors did a yearly inspection of farms to ensure civic respectability. Convicts were assigned as slave labour.  Macquarie even flogged freemen for pinching his vegies.

Any harsh dealings by Phillip were not arbitrary or gratuitous on his part.

As had happened with the first English colonists in America over 150 years earlier, Parliament had grossly overestimated the land's capacity to support a colony of Europeans.

Phillip was granted the powers to govern the colony, enacting and enforcing whatever laws he deemed necessary to ensure the colony's survival.

In its first few years, the colony of NSW was more like a blueprint for 'Lord of the Flies' than the idyll that the likes of Sir Joseph Banks had envisoned and advised 20 years earlier.
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Reply #65 - Today at 10:01am
 
Rabbit thieves were wrong until extensive "rabbit-proof" fencing (built 1901-1907), trapping, poisoning, and hunting. Rabbiting then was right.
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chimera wrote Today at 10:01am:
Rabbit thieves were wrong until extensive "rabbit-proof" fencing (built 1901-1907), trapping, poisoning, and hunting. Rabbiting then was right.

Rabbit hunting in Australia was right from the get-go, 1859.
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Reply #67 - Today at 10:29am
 
This was government rabbiting. 'Built by the WA Government it consisted fences spanning over 3,200 km.
In 1907, a staff of 35, including 25 "fence runners" and camel drivers, were employed to maintain the fences.'

There were fines for immigrant rabbits ('illegals') which can be $250,000 today or shooting.
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