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chimera wrote Today at 4:19pm:
Frank wrote Today at 3:40pm:
Not moral behaviour.


Moral behaviour requires an underlying set of decisions / attitudes/ whatever. One person's right means others willingly constrain themselves to allow it.  It means a concept of 'group'.
Elephants particularly need to belong to a group for mental well-being. (many species need their herd). Ducks almost commit suicide to divert an attacker's attention from ducklings.


Instinctive animal behaviour is not driven by moral considerations.  No duck ever say, 'bugger it, I'm going fishing instead". No elephant identifies as a giraffe or a meercat.

The point of morality is rooted in freedom - you could act otherwise.

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Well, I've just contacted an elephant at Dubbo zoo. He says that moral considerations are his first priority for the welfare of clients. The Elephant Group will review departmental guidelines and offer thoughts and prayers to the family of the lion they pounded into a clay brick.
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chimera wrote Today at 4:43pm:
Well, I've just contacted an elephant at Dubbo zoo. He says that moral considerations are his first priority for the welfare of clients. The Elephant Group will review departmental guidelines and offer thoughts and prayers to the family of the lion they pounded into a clay brick.

Idiot.
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Reply #48 - Today at 5:17pm
 
Frank wrote Today at 4:36pm:
Instinctive animal behaviour is not driven by moral considerations. 

You need to establish both of those facts.
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Reply #49 - Today at 5:20pm
 
chimera wrote Today at 5:17pm:
Frank wrote Today at 4:36pm:
Instinctive animal behaviour is not driven by moral considerations. 

You need to establish both of those facts.

I have.

Reason and freedom that comes with it.

We have them (not you, perhaps), animals don't.

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Reply #50 - Today at 5:23pm
 
Just claiming it is not the proof. You can't say you're correct because you say so.

Why did the elephants run in circles and then some acted differently and gathered in a group with young in the centre?
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Reply #51 - Today at 5:48pm
 
A moral act is the freely chosen expression of ideal behaviour within a given context. It could be mowing the lawns of the old lady next door, or helping an old lady cross the road, or even a chicken, or in a specific context, it could be the old lady throwing herself onto her husband’s funeral pyre.
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Reply #52 - Today at 5:56pm
 
chimera wrote Today at 4:43pm:
Well, I've just contacted an elephant at Dubbo zoo. He says that moral considerations are his first priority for the welfare of clients. The Elephant Group will review departmental guidelines and offer thoughts and prayers to the family of the lion they pounded into a clay brick.

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Reply #53 - Today at 7:06pm
 

"What rights do you have?"



It seems to me, that the quality of my 'rights' [living in Australia],
were more tangible and real 50 years ago, than my 'rights' are today.

Why is that so ?



But aside from the above......
My creator endowed me with a right,
to live [within this house of clay],
until the day that i will die.

My creator endowed me with a right, during my sojourn here,
to make [many] choices [and He also enabled me, to observe and ponder the consequences of my choices],
until the day that i die.

And also......for me to either celebrate those choices i made, or, on reflection, to repent of them.


Yadda, is a repenter.


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Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God
led thee these forty years in the wilderness,
to humble thee, and to prove thee,
to know what was in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.


Psalms 119:45
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
46  I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings,
and will not be ashamed.
47  And I will delight myself in thy commandments,
which I have loved.
48  My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved;
and I will meditate in thy statutes.


Psalms 119:176
I have gone astray like a lost sheep;
seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.


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Judeo-Christian values.

What are they ?



[Jesus said]....
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Matthew 19:17
[Jesus said].....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18  He saith unto him, Which?
Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Psalms 119:1
Blessed are the undefiled in the way,
who walk in the law of the LORD.


Why ???

Why are those who   'walk in the law of the LORD'   deemed to be, 'blessed' ???



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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