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Re: What rights do you have?
Reply #45 - Today at 4:36pm

chimera wrote Today at 4:19pm:

Frank wrote Today at 3:40pm:

Not moral behaviour.

Moral behaviour requires an underlying set of decisions / attitudes/ whatever. One person's right means others willingly constrain themselves to allow it. It means a concept of 'group'.
Elephants particularly need to belong to a group for mental well-being. (many species need their herd). Ducks almost commit suicide to divert an attacker's attention from ducklings.

Instinctive animal behaviour is not driven by moral considerations. No duck ever say, 'bugger it, I'm going fishing instead". No elephant identifies as a giraffe or a meercat.

The point of morality is rooted in freedom - you could act otherwise.

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14600 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #46 - Today at 4:43pm Well, I've just contacted an elephant at Dubbo zoo. He says that moral considerations are his first priority for the welfare of clients. The Elephant Group will review departmental guidelines and offer thoughts and prayers to the family of the lion they pounded into a clay brick.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56423 Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #47 - Today at 5:04pm chimera wrote Today at 4:43pm: Well, I've just contacted an elephant at Dubbo zoo. He says that moral considerations are his first priority for the welfare of clients. The Elephant Group will review departmental guidelines and offer thoughts and prayers to the family of the lion they pounded into a clay brick. Idiot.
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14600 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #48 - Today at 5:17pm Frank wrote Today at 4:36pm: Instinctive animal behaviour is not driven by moral considerations. You need to establish both of those facts.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56423 Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #49 - Today at 5:20pm chimera wrote Today at 5:17pm: Frank wrote Today at 4:36pm: Instinctive animal behaviour is not driven by moral considerations. You need to establish both of those facts. I have. Reason and freedom that comes with it. We have them (not you, perhaps), animals don't.
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14600 Armidale Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #50 - Today at 5:23pm Just claiming it is not the proof. You can't say you're correct because you say so. Why did the elephants run in circles and then some acted differently and gathered in a group with young in the centre?
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16507 Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #51 - Today at 5:48pm A moral act is the freely chosen expression of ideal behaviour within a given context. It could be mowing the lawns of the old lady next door, or helping an old lady cross the road, or even a chicken, or in a specific context, it could be the old lady throwing herself onto her husband’s funeral pyre.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16507 Gender:	Re: What rights do you have? Reply #52 - Today at 5:56pm chimera wrote Today at 4:43pm: Well, I've just contacted an elephant at Dubbo zoo. He says that moral considerations are his first priority for the welfare of clients. The Elephant Group will review departmental guidelines and offer thoughts and prayers to the family of the lion they pounded into a clay brick. Yepp!!
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