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Reply #15 - Today at 5:04pm

Is there any practical difference between freedom of speech for the individual and freedom of press that is relevant to Don Lemon's case? As far as I can tell there is none. Freedom of the press does not mean that the press can participate in a crime while acquiring or disseminating information, any more than an individual can participate in a crime while speaking their mind. The only meaningful right given to the press but not to individuals that I can find is limited protection from being forced to reveal their sources, which is not relevant here.

Your rights do not change just because you wear a badge that says journalist.

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Reply #16 - Today at 5:07pm

freediver wrote Today at 5:04pm:

Is there any practical difference between freedom of speech for the individual and freedom of press that is relevant to Don Lemon's case? As far as I can tell there is none. Freedom of the press does not mean that the press can participate in a crime while acquiring or disseminating information, any more than an individual can participate in a crime while speaking their mind. The only meaningful right given to the press but not to individuals that I can find is limited protection from being forced to reveal their sources, which is not relevant here.

What does that have to do with Lemon?

He hasn't committed a crime.

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Reply #17 - Today at 5:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote Today at 5:04pm:

Is there any practical difference between freedom of speech for the individual and freedom of press that is relevant to Don Lemon's case? As far as I can tell there is none. Freedom of the press does not mean that the press can participate in a crime while acquiring or disseminating information, any more than an individual can participate in a crime while speaking their mind. The only meaningful right given to the press but not to individuals that I can find is limited protection from being forced to reveal their sources, which is not relevant here.

What does that have to do with Lemon?

He hasn't committed a crime.

He has been charged with one. We are yet to see if it sticks.

I am not claiming that freedom of the press is a significant issue here. I was asking why all the MSM articles I read on it devoted most of their coverage to freedom of the press. I agree with you that it is irrelevant, if that is what you are trying to say.

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Reply #18 - Today at 6:30pm

freediver wrote Today at 5:04pm:

Is there any practical difference between freedom of speech for the individual and freedom of press that is relevant to Don Lemon's case? As far as I can tell there is none. Freedom of the press does not mean that the press can participate in a crime while acquiring or disseminating information, any more than an individual can participate in a crime while speaking their mind. The only meaningful right given to the press but not to individuals that I can find is limited protection from being forced to reveal their sources, which is not relevant here.

Your rights do not change just because you wear a badge that says journalist.

That's the point. "The press" is included in the first amendment as an example of a profession the US government is not allowed to restrict.

In reality, "the press" has considerable rights, powers and entitlements, but I'm curious.

What is your view on the government restricting religious rights?

You didn't say.

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Reply #19 - Today at 7:20pm

freediver wrote Today at 4:31pm:

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You know the type of work protected by the first amendment

No I don't. Would you mind quoting where it refers to types of work?

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents Congress from making laws respecting an establishment of religion; prohibiting the free exercise of religion; or abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the freedom of assembly, or the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791

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the freedom of the press

This protects the right of people to report on events and interview willing people including at protests.

Lemon did nothing outside of the context of a reporter of fact. He interviewed people on both sides equally.

About 1:30 Lemon interviewing the pastor. Just after Lemon saying that he was there to cronicle only.

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Reply #20 - Today at 7:23pm

freediver wrote Today at 5:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote Today at 5:04pm:

Is there any practical difference between freedom of speech for the individual and freedom of press that is relevant to Don Lemon's case? As far as I can tell there is none. Freedom of the press does not mean that the press can participate in a crime while acquiring or disseminating information, any more than an individual can participate in a crime while speaking their mind. The only meaningful right given to the press but not to individuals that I can find is limited protection from being forced to reveal their sources, which is not relevant here.

What does that have to do with Lemon?

He hasn't committed a crime.

He has been charged with one. We are yet to see if it sticks.

I'll bet you a jar of premium Dijon mustard that it doesn't stick.

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Reply #21 - Today at 7:26pm

Melanias purse wrote Today at 6:30pm:

freediver wrote Today at 5:04pm:

Is there any practical difference between freedom of speech for the individual and freedom of press that is relevant to Don Lemon's case? As far as I can tell there is none. Freedom of the press does not mean that the press can participate in a crime while acquiring or disseminating information, any more than an individual can participate in a crime while speaking their mind. The only meaningful right given to the press but not to individuals that I can find is limited protection from being forced to reveal their sources, which is not relevant here.

Your rights do not change just because you wear a badge that says journalist.

That's the point. "The press" is included in the first amendment as an example of a profession the US government is not allowed to restrict.

In reality, "the press" has considerable rights, powers and entitlements, but I'm curious.

What is your view on the government restricting religious rights?

You didn't say.

I am all for religious rights.

I don't get your point. Anyone is allowed to become a journalist. Fair enough, the government cannot demand licences like they do for medicine. But that is also not relevant to Don's case, and not a "special" privilege that is different from individual freedoms. You could not restrict the right of "the press" to say things without also restricting the right of individuals to say things.

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This protects the right of people to report on events and interview willing people including at protests.

How does it do so any differently to individual rights? Are you saying people are not allowed to do these things unless they are officially part of "the press," which the government is not allowed to officialise in any way?

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Reply #22 - Today at 8:05pm

'The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents Congress from making laws respecting an establishment of religion; prohibiting the free exercise of religion; or abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the freedom of assembly, or the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.'

The list is not about employment in journalism or as a clergyman. 'The press' means the 1790s machine for printing pamphlets, newspapers or books. 'Freedom' means without obligation to any standards of fairness or truth, unless a specific law is breached.

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Reply #23 - Today at 8:48pm

freediver wrote Today at 7:26pm:

Melanias purse wrote Today at 6:30pm:

freediver wrote Today at 5:04pm:

Is there any practical difference between freedom of speech for the individual and freedom of press that is relevant to Don Lemon's case? As far as I can tell there is none. Freedom of the press does not mean that the press can participate in a crime while acquiring or disseminating information, any more than an individual can participate in a crime while speaking their mind. The only meaningful right given to the press but not to individuals that I can find is limited protection from being forced to reveal their sources, which is not relevant here.

Your rights do not change just because you wear a badge that says journalist.

That's the point. "The press" is included in the first amendment as an example of a profession the US government is not allowed to restrict.

In reality, "the press" has considerable rights, powers and entitlements, but I'm curious.

What is your view on the government restricting religious rights?

You didn't say.

I am all for religious rights.

I don't get your point. Anyone is allowed to become a journalist. Fair enough, the government cannot demand licences like they do for medicine. But that is also not relevant to Don's case, and not a "special" privilege that is different from individual freedoms. You could not restrict the right of "the press" to say things without also restricting the right of individuals to say things.

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This protects the right of people to report on events and interview willing people including at protests.

How does it do so any differently to individual rights? Are you saying people are not allowed to do these things unless they are officially part of "the press," which the government is not allowed to officialise in any way?

The point isn't that it also applies to others but that the coverage includes the press. The protection is freedom of the press, Lemon is a member of the press and was acting in that capacity at the time. He was activly working as a journalist. The point that anyone reporting on anything that is to be published is legitimately acting in a press capacity is not relivant in this case. That is just throwing non relivant mud in the water.

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