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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #30 - Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:21pm  
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 6:40pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 6:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:37am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:49am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 12:05pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 9:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:18am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


I rode on both of them and I only ever saw one rail.

So, if you don't think they're monorails, what are they?


They are elevated narrow gauge railways that use flat rails and side guide wheels in lieu of flanges on the load bearing wheels.
Note the distinct marks from the wheels on both sides of the track.


Correction, a single flat rail. Count them. You won't get past one. That's what mono means. It doesn't mean flanges wherever it is you want them to be.

It doesn't have to be a bicycle on a tight rope to count as a monorail.

See photos of depot, the cars are clearly stored on two rails as on the traverser which seems to have a non slip coating on the rails.
When I first saw the depot the first storage bay was completely open between the rails to allow work/inspection from underneath; probably at a later date than the photo.
As they can run on two rails in the depot then they can run on two rails anywhere, monorails they are not.


So it's not a monorail because of what the depot looks like?

The tracks in the depot prove thet the trains can , and do, run on two rails, a monorail, as the name exemplifies runs on one rail, ...


The huge concrete structure/beam which the train moves along is the 'rail', and there's only one of them.

The two things the trains move along are the 'tracks'.

There can be a dozen tracks on top of that concrete structure and it would still be a monorail.

A monorail consists of a single, rigid, elevated beam—usually made of concrete or steel.

So the various Metro trains running on elevated massive reinforced concrete beams are really monorails despite having two rails; do they become ordinary trains when they descend to ground level?


You mean 'tracks'.

And yes, if they are on one solid, elevated concrete structure/beam, they're a monorail.

Once on the ground, they are not.



Here’s a ‘’monorail’’’ in Mumbai running on its elevated concrete beams.


That's a train going over a bridge.
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #31 - Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:32pm  
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 6:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:37am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:49am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 12:05pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 9:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:18am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


I rode on both of them and I only ever saw one rail.

So, if you don't think they're monorails, what are they?


They are elevated narrow gauge railways that use flat rails and side guide wheels in lieu of flanges on the load bearing wheels.
Note the distinct marks from the wheels on both sides of the track.


Correction, a single flat rail. Count them. You won't get past one. That's what mono means. It doesn't mean flanges wherever it is you want them to be.

It doesn't have to be a bicycle on a tight rope to count as a monorail.

See photos of depot, the cars are clearly stored on two rails as on the traverser which seems to have a non slip coating on the rails.
When I first saw the depot the first storage bay was completely open between the rails to allow work/inspection from underneath; probably at a later date than the photo.
As they can run on two rails in the depot then they can run on two rails anywhere, monorails they are not.


So it's not a monorail because of what the depot looks like?

The tracks in the depot prove thet the trains can , and do, run on two rails, a monorail, as the name exemplifies runs on one rail, ...


The huge concrete structure/beam which the train moves along is the 'rail', and there's only one of them.

The two things the trains move along are the 'tracks'.

There can be a dozen tracks on top of that concrete structure and it would still be a monorail.

A monorail consists of a single, rigid, elevated beam—usually made of concrete or steel.

So the various Metro trains running on elevated massive reinforced concrete beams are really monorails despite having two rails; do they become ordinary trains when they descend to ground level?


They are not on a single beam. They are on a complex support structure, which supports two dynamically separate beams.
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #32 - Jan 31st, 2026 at 10:19pm  
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:32pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 6:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:37am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:49am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 12:05pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 9:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:18am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


I rode on both of them and I only ever saw one rail.

So, if you don't think they're monorails, what are they?


They are elevated narrow gauge railways that use flat rails and side guide wheels in lieu of flanges on the load bearing wheels.
Note the distinct marks from the wheels on both sides of the track.


Correction, a single flat rail. Count them. You won't get past one. That's what mono means. It doesn't mean flanges wherever it is you want them to be.

It doesn't have to be a bicycle on a tight rope to count as a monorail.

See photos of depot, the cars are clearly stored on two rails as on the traverser which seems to have a non slip coating on the rails.
When I first saw the depot the first storage bay was completely open between the rails to allow work/inspection from underneath; probably at a later date than the photo.
As they can run on two rails in the depot then they can run on two rails anywhere, monorails they are not.


So it's not a monorail because of what the depot looks like?

The tracks in the depot prove thet the trains can , and do, run on two rails, a monorail, as the name exemplifies runs on one rail, ...


The huge concrete structure/beam which the train moves along is the 'rail', and there's only one of them.

The two things the trains move along are the 'tracks'.

There can be a dozen tracks on top of that concrete structure and it would still be a monorail.

A monorail consists of a single, rigid, elevated beam—usually made of concrete or steel.

So the various Metro trains running on elevated massive reinforced concrete beams are really monorails despite having two rails; do they become ordinary trains when they descend to ground level?


They are not on a single beam. They are on a complex support structure, which supports two dynamically separate beams.

What are? SydneyMetro or Mumbai’s?
The Mumbai and Delhi Metro trains and others are carried on a single Wooton trough girder and although they run on two rails they fit Gregory’s definition of a ‘’monorail’’; however I think that Gregory is trumped.
The time honoured and historical definition of a Monorail is a single rail, mono means ‘one’.
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #33 - Jan 31st, 2026 at 10:31pm  
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:21pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 6:40pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 6:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:37am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2026 at 7:49am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 12:05pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 9:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:18am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


I rode on both of them and I only ever saw one rail.

So, if you don't think they're monorails, what are they?


They are elevated narrow gauge railways that use flat rails and side guide wheels in lieu of flanges on the load bearing wheels.
Note the distinct marks from the wheels on both sides of the track.


Correction, a single flat rail. Count them. You won't get past one. That's what mono means. It doesn't mean flanges wherever it is you want them to be.

It doesn't have to be a bicycle on a tight rope to count as a monorail.

See photos of depot, the cars are clearly stored on two rails as on the traverser which seems to have a non slip coating on the rails.
When I first saw the depot the first storage bay was completely open between the rails to allow work/inspection from underneath; probably at a later date than the photo.
As they can run on two rails in the depot then they can run on two rails anywhere, monorails they are not.


So it's not a monorail because of what the depot looks like?

The tracks in the depot prove thet the trains can , and do, run on two rails, a monorail, as the name exemplifies runs on one rail, ...


The huge concrete structure/beam which the train moves along is the 'rail', and there's only one of them.

The two things the trains move along are the 'tracks'.

There can be a dozen tracks on top of that concrete structure and it would still be a monorail.

A monorail consists of a single, rigid, elevated beam—usually made of concrete or steel.

So the various Metro trains running on elevated massive reinforced concrete beams are really monorails despite having two rails; do they become ordinary trains when they descend to ground level?


You mean 'tracks'.

And yes, if they are on one solid, elevated concrete structure/beam, they're a monorail.

Once on the ground, they are not.



Here’s a ‘’monorail’’’ in Mumbai running on its elevated concrete beams.


That's a train going over a bridge.


That is a Mumbai Metro train on a. Wooton trough girder made of reinforced concrete and thus fits your definition.
The whole line is elevated over existing vehicular roadways, the supporting columns are between the carriage ways, nary a bridge in sight.
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #34 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 8:42am  
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The Mumbai and Delhi Metro trains and others are carried on a single Wooton trough girder and although they run on two rails they fit Gregory’s definition of a ‘’monorail’’


Grin

They fit the description perfectly, except for the "two rails" bit.

What do you think monorail means?

And why are you still beating this dead horse? Why do you even care, given that you know so little about it to begin with?
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #35 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 10:42am  
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.


Small temporary one at Southbank for Expo88.

It was pulled down in 1989 & went to Sea World on the Gold Coast with one train set.

The other 3 trains sets went to a Theme Park in Germany.
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Reply #36 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 10:49am  
freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:10am:
I saw it and rode on it. It was on a single rail. It is still in use at Sea World.


Nope - closed 2 years ago.

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Due to rising maintenance costs including difficulty to procure parts, a decision was made to permanently close the monorail in 2024
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Reply #37 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 10:53am  
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


Sorry - but they were on a single beam - single as in mono.

They only thing they were not was powered/driven by electro-magnetic force.

They ran on rubber wheels driven by traction motors.
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The monorail trains ran on rubber wheels, and each seven-car train had six 37-kilowatt (50 hp) traction motors, permitting a normal operating speed of 33 km/h (21 mph). The doors of each car were automatic, and the floor level was self-adjusting via an automatic suspension system.


So Sir O F - they were a type of mono rail.
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #38 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 10:59am  
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 9:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:18am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


I rode on both of them and I only ever saw one rail.

So, if you don't think they're monorails, what are they?


They are elevated narrow gauge railways that use flat rails and side guide wheels in lieu of flanges on the load bearing wheels.
Note the distinct marks from the wheels on both sides of the track.


No they are not flat rails - what you see in your photo is the marks left by the rubber wheels driven by traction motors on top of the single mono rail/beam that is  94 centimetres (37 in) width.

The side guide wheels do only that ....guide to keep in place.
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Reply #39 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 11:01am  

Yes, there are different types of monorails just as there are different types of trains, planes, and automobiles.

I must say, defining exactly what a 'monorail' is seems a rather strange hill to die on   Undecided
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Reply #40 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 11:01am  
chimera wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 1:22pm:
Here we have a mono train bus tram wheelbarrow fake coalition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-tyred_metro


Nothing like Brisbane or Sydneys.
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Reply #41 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 11:03am  
Maybe he had a bad experience with a monorail as a child.
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Reply #42 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 11:03am  
tallowood wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 3:39pm:
Keith Monorail Documentary


True monorail

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q70/921/klKqT9.png


That's electro-magnetic.
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #43 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 11:10am  
Gnads wrote on Feb 1st, 2026 at 10:53am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


Sorry - but they were on a single beam - single as in mono.

They only thing they were not was powered/driven by electro-magnetic force.

They ran on rubber wheels driven by traction motors.
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The monorail trains ran on rubber wheels, and each seven-car train had six 37-kilowatt (50 hp) traction motors, permitting a normal operating speed of 33 km/h (21 mph). The doors of each car were automatic, and the floor level was self-adjusting via an automatic suspension system.


So Sir O F - they were a type of mono rail.

So one must also allow that Sydney’s light rail system mostly runs on a concrete girder that is level with the road surface thus making them monorails?
The undeniable fact is that the Sydney Monorail trains had wheels on both sides and ran on two seperate rails, therefore they didn’t comply
with the historical definition of a monorail.

The apparent modern definition is based on advertising and commercial wishful thinking and the sheep go along with it because they don’t think for themselves.

See the worldwide example of getting the start of the current Millennium wrong and, locally, our Federal Government.
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Re: Remnants of Sydney’s Monorail
Reply #44 - Feb 1st, 2026 at 11:13am  
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 4:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 3:22pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 10:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 9:55pm:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 9:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:18am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:31am:
Brisbane had one.

Brisbane never had a monorail, like the Sydney one it was a fake and people called it a monorail  because they were told that it was one.


I rode on both of them and I only ever saw one rail.

So, if you don't think they're monorails, what are they?


They are elevated narrow gauge railways that use flat rails and side guide wheels in lieu of flanges on the load bearing wheels.
Note the distinct marks from the wheels on both sides of the track.


Looks like a monorail to me.


Then have a look at the depot where the train carriages are stabled and worked on, two distinct rails.



No.

The 'rail' is the entire concrete structure/beam, and there is only one of those.  Thus, mono.

A monorail track consists of a single, rigid, elevated beam—usually made of concrete or steel—that acts as both the support and guide for the train.

That’s what the manufacturers say when they want to use 19 Century narrow gauge trains in a modern setting.
Monorail is a zip word that sells the product, like calling steam submarines ‘’ Nuclear Powered’’; pulls the wool over the sheeples eyes, and it succeeds; bet you think that 2026 is the 27th year of the current millennium.


Both Sydney & Brisbanes were built around the same time with similar technology.

They were a mono rail atop a track which was a steel box girder of 94 centimetres (37 in) wide.

The monorail trains ran on rubber wheels, and each seven-car train had six 37-kilowatt (50 hp) traction motors, permitting a normal operating speed of 33 km/h (21 mph).

The doors of each car were automatic, and the floor level was self-adjusting via an automatic suspension system.

It was not a railed narrow gauge railway line at all.
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