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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3478 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #60 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 11:27am Apparently if Nazis or others want to use hate speech they will be safe from the law if they quote from a religious book/text. We all know which religious book is the most readily available with hate quotes.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52334 At my desk.	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #61 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 11:29am All they would have to do is declare Hitler to be their prophet. Then they are untouchable. That is how absurd our hate speech laws are.
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Reply #62 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 11:54am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:17am:

chimera wrote on Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:38pm:

Be careful what you say - that was enough to get him locked up -
not given bail.

It's been on the books for a while.
State law on conspiracy is 'an agreement between two or more people to committing an offence'.

Cwlth. 'A person who conspires with another person to commit an offence and must have committed an overt act pursuant to the agreement'.

Who were the 2 people and what are you talking about?

I'd like to know that as well.

As usual chim(p) avoided the issue with a (supposedly clever...) non-answer, to wit:

"There's no cartoon to illustrate it, Bobby. Can't help you." Sad

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Reply #63 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 12:00pm

A country is a group of people in an area of land.
It has a 'government' a collection of wise genius people (or just one in US)
It makes 'laws'. spelled l a w law. pronounced lore. it means a rule.
If 2 of the people in the area of land do bad stuff, it's not good.
Any two people such as tgd ..
maybe not, there are robot data loops.
anyway, any two people.
People are plural persons.

(The two people are named Larisa and Kurt
https://www.asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2025-release...

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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #64 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 3:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:07pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 1:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 1:22pm:

“To sustain a representative democracy embodying the principles prescribed by the Constitution, freedom of public discussion of political and economic matters is essential: it would be a parody of democracy to confer on the people a power to choose their Parliament but to deny the freedom of public discussion from which the people derive their political judgments”.

That is a long walk from what Americans recognise as free speech latitude, by which many Australians assume they're also covered.

The right to openly and publicly disagree with a politician (or anyone) on political or economic matters doesn't cut it in the minds of free speech absolutists.

So what? I was replying to this...

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 9:08am:

Despite what many here believe, Australia has never had Freedom of Speech. It has always been subject to Government and legal whim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not what you assume I was responding to or what others think.

Pedantic.

The essence of what Australians believe about free speech is not whether or not we're free to debate political or economic issues... It's being free to say what we really think on almost anything - a right we do not have, but something many (maybe most) of us think we have.

We in fact have Common Law rights, which are a far more effective guarantee of free speech than any 'bill of rights' The issue is that the government is attempting to restrict our Common Law rights and compliant judges are going along with it. We need lawyers, judges and the people themselves to stand against this government overreach.

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"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire.....(possibly)

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Reply #65 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 3:34pm

..and more guns. Say, 20 for each Muss and Racist household. (They can put that description in gun applications)
Also unlimited ammo and gun maintenance subsidy.
'Personal carriage of ammunition is generally restricted to a reasonable amount, and for air travel, it is typically limited to 5kg per person, securely boxed.' Can't solve anything with 5kg.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3478 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #66 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 4:02pm freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2026 at 11:29am: All they would have to do is declare Hitler to be their prophet. Then they are untouchable. That is how absurd our hate speech laws are. Hitler was their prophet and his ‘’holy’’ book is ‘’Mein Kampf’’.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52334 At my desk.	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #67 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 4:33pm I think that if Hitler had won, Nazism would be turning into a religion, not that dissimilar from Islam.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14602 Armidale Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #68 - Jan 31^st, 2026 at 4:38pm A book shop can sell Mein Kampf. Nazis can give hate speech using the book. There is a slight difference between them.
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Reply #69 - Feb 1^st, 2026 at 11:16am

Belgarion wrote on Jan 31^st, 2026 at 3:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:23pm:

The essence of what Australians believe about free speech is not whether or not we're free to debate political or economic issues... It's being free to say what we really think on almost anything - a right we do not have, but something many (maybe most) of us think we have.

We in fact have Common Law rights, which are a far more effective guarantee of free speech than any 'bill of rights' The issue is that the government is attempting to restrict our Common Law rights and compliant judges are going along with it. We need lawyers, judges and the people themselves to stand against this government overreach.

How can the Common Law be a more effective guarantee of free speech than a constitutional 'bill of rights'?

Common Law can always be overridden by legislation.

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Reply #70 - Feb 1^st, 2026 at 11:24am

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How can the Common Law be a more effective guarantee of free speech than a constitutional 'bill of rights'?

There is no such thing as a guarantee. Especially from a bit of paper.

The Americans seem to think their constitution guarantees them the right to bear arms. But there are all sort's restrictions on that right. The constitution is nothing more than a talking point on it.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116868 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #71 - Feb 1^st, 2026 at 11:29am In jail for tweet:
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14602 Armidale Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #72 - Feb 1^st, 2026 at 11:36am Being anti-Semitic is not mentioned in the Constitution, in laws or a common law offence. But Minns and others bring it out as the over-riding issue. It ruled the ABC decision on the journalist's work and the Sth Aust Writers Fest. Israel and Australia
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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #73 - Feb 1^st, 2026 at 12:24pm

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2026 at 11:24am:

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How can the Common Law be a more effective guarantee of free speech than a constitutional 'bill of rights'?

There is no such thing as a guarantee. Especially from a bit of paper.

The Americans seem to think their constitution guarantees them the right to bear arms. But there are all sort's restrictions on that right. The constitution is nothing more than a talking point on it.

I'm sure there are.

However, if Australian common law permitted a person to be armed, that could easily be abrogated completely by legislation, which is exactly why the right to bear arms appears in the US Constitution, and is second only to the right to peaceably assemble, the right to freedom of speech, freedom of religious expression, and to petition the government for redress of grievances.

No US legislature or administration has the authority to ban the possession of arms or abrogate any of the rights guaranteed in their constitution.

In Australia, nearly all of those rights can be abrogated by legislation.

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Reply #74 - Feb 1^st, 2026 at 12:31pm

'As of early 2026, Washington D.C. maintains some of the strictest gun control laws in the United States, including a ban on most semi-automatic weapons defined as "assault weapons." The District requires strict registration for all firearms and prohibits open carry'.

The centre of US happiness and firepower knows what's good.

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