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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #45 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:18pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:38pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:07pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 1:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 1:22pm:

“To sustain a representative democracy embodying the principles prescribed by the Constitution, freedom of public discussion of political and economic matters is essential: it would be a parody of democracy to confer on the people a power to choose their Parliament but to deny the freedom of public discussion from which the people derive their political judgments”.

That is a long walk from what Americans recognise as free speech latitude, by which many Australians assume they're also covered.

The right to openly and publicly disagree with a politician (or anyone) on political or economic matters doesn't cut it in the minds of free speech absolutists.

So what? I was replying to this...

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 9:08am:

Despite what many here believe, Australia has never had Freedom of Speech. It has always been subject to Government and legal whim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not what you assume I was responding to or what others think.

Pedantic.

The essence of what Australians believe about free speech is not whether or not we're free to debate political or economic issues... It's being free to say what we really think on almost anything - a right we do not have, but something many (maybe most) of us think we have.

As I said, so what? I was responding to what Bwyawn said. It's not pedantic, it's correct.

Pedantic doesn't mean or imply untrue or incorrect.

Brian's comment refers to a greater, more important point: Australians do not have the right to free speech in any form that most, if not all, of us would consider to be free speech.

Those old farts on the bench covered their arses by being 'for' free speech by claiming we had a constitutional right to freely dissent on issues of politics and the economy. Gutless, devious apparatchiks. They highlight the core of the problem - the establishment will not tolerate true free speech.

So you know what's in Bwyawn head now as well as "maybe most Australians".

Give it away. Brian was wrong as he so often is.

More pendantry.

You're not spined enough to concede that you'd be unlikely to find any ordinary Australian who defines freedom of speech as restricted to matters of politics or the economy.... Only old farts in wigs speaking for the establishment would pretend to believe that.

I have no need to concede anything, it is you who needs to concede that what I posted was correct. I must not be an ordinary Australian then, extraordinary perhaps? Don't project yourself onto everyone else in Australia. OK, I could be persuaded to concede you are a pigeon trying to play chess, the park is yours, I'm off.

I didn't say you were incorrect, I said you were pedantic.

Given your epithet for Brian, I'm guessing your response is emotional, which would explain why you leapt to pedantry.

It's not hard to imagine that people from an expressive culture would likely have an opinion about freedom of speech that extends beyond matters of politics and the economy.

You're off, eh! 'Storming' out to avoid conceding... Of course you're off. You're a coward who took a shot at a poster you don't like, not expecting pushback.

You're a joke.
I corrected him, I didn't "take a shot" at him. I've done that. No need to stay and watch you crap everywhere any longer. Are you another Dunning-Kruger like Brian?

Of course you took a shot... that's why you referred to him by an epithet in one of your responses to me... to get me on board, I'm guessing, that taking shots at him is kosher.

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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #46 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 9:44pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:09pm:

chimera wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:46pm:

: to constitutionally guarantee certain freedoms as inalienable,

That was the opium and bourbon talking. Happy is alienable too.

That'd be the pursuit of happiness. Not happiness.

Anti "rights" philosophers have dispensed with that one:

Everyone desires to be happy, but an individual's desires aren't rights, and they sometimes compete.

Jefferson's addendum - "the pursuit of" - tries to avoid the above problem, but it becomes little more than a motherhood statement, like the 'right' to life and liberty, both of which can only be ahieved under rule of law, with sanctions against those who ignore the law.

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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #47 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 9:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:09pm:

chimera wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:46pm:

: to constitutionally guarantee certain freedoms as inalienable,

That was the opium and bourbon talking. Happy is alienable too.

That'd be the pursuit of happiness. Not happiness.

Anti "rights" philosophers have dispensed with that one:

Everyone desires to be happy, but an individual's desires aren't rights, and they sometimes compete.

Jefferson's addendum - "the pursuit of" - tries to avoid the above problem, but it becomes little more than a motherhood statement, like the 'right' to life and liberty, both of which can only be ahieved under rule of law, with sanctions against those who ignore the law.

Yep, well, the text of the Declaration of Independence was framed to be aspirational, upon which a constitution would be based that codified the relationship between government and the governed.

To define happiness in a 20th- or 21st-century context is generally to presume it refers to hedonism or hedonistic desire. Happiness in the late 18th-century context apparently referred to the contentment a person feels when they have achieved personal, economic and familial success, and good standing within their respective community.

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Reply #48 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 5:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 4:55pm:

As adults, I think we all have a pretty good idea of what would constitute hate speech and what wouldn't.

I've not seen any legislation that has an exact checklist of behaviours to describe dangerous driving, but I'm pretty sure I'd know if I was doing it or not.

Is this hate speech?

We have only 9 seconds of the 45 second video here:

Time stamp 21 - 30 seconds.

https://www.facebook.com/iwakeupwithtoday/videos/white-nationalist-brandan-kosch...

Brandan Koschel
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The hate speech laws were pushed by the Australian -
ahh the Jewish lobby groups
in Australia - they - they were behind it all - they were behind it all.

On the basis of that clip alone, I don't think it is (anti-semitic) "hate speech"; that section of the Jewish lobby, supported by the Murdoch press, which blindly promotes Israel's right to exist at the expense of Palestinians, doesn't speak for all fair-minded Jews.

And it's obvious the lobby got to Malinoukas.

Hence not "hate speach", but fact.

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Reply #49 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 9:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:09pm:

chimera wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 7:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 6:46pm:

: to constitutionally guarantee certain freedoms as inalienable,

That was the opium and bourbon talking. Happy is alienable too.

That'd be the pursuit of happiness. Not happiness.

Anti "rights" philosophers have dispensed with that one:

Everyone desires to be happy, but an individual's desires aren't rights, and they sometimes compete.

Jefferson's addendum - "the pursuit of" - tries to avoid the above problem, but it becomes little more than a motherhood statement, like the 'right' to life and liberty, both of which can only be ahieved under rule of law, with sanctions against those who ignore the law.

Yep, well, the text of the Declaration of Independence was framed to be aspirational, upon which a constitution would be based that codified the relationship between government and the governed.

Yes, to dispense with the ancient Rule by Divine Right'/Mandate of Heaven.

But the question is ..."aspirational" for whom?

eg, "the general welfare" is one of the aspirations mentioned in the Preamble, but it is still to be realized even after 2 centuries...

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To define happiness in a 20th- or 21st-century context is generally to presume it refers to hedonism or hedonistic desire. Happiness in the late 18th-century context apparently referred to the contentment a person feels when they have achieved personal, economic and familial success, and good standing within their respective community.

Well, maybe those today who are blinded by the dictates of the modern 'consumer'/celebrity economy and society.

Otherwise the requirements for happiness you outlined above remain the same over the centuries.

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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #50 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 5:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 4:55pm:

As adults, I think we all have a pretty good idea of what would constitute hate speech and what wouldn't.

I've not seen any legislation that has an exact checklist of behaviours to describe dangerous driving, but I'm pretty sure I'd know if I was doing it or not.

Is this hate speech?

We have only 9 seconds of the 45 second video here:

Time stamp 21 - 30 seconds.

https://www.facebook.com/iwakeupwithtoday/videos/white-nationalist-brandan-kosch...

Brandan Koschel
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The hate speech laws were pushed by the Australian -
ahh the Jewish lobby groups
in Australia - they - they were behind it all - they were behind it all.

On the basis of that clip alone, I don't think it is (anti-semitic) "hate speech"; that section of the Jewish lobby, supported by the Murdoch press, which blindly promotes Israel's right to exist at the expense of Palestinians, doesn't speak for all fair-minded Jews.

And it's obvious the lobby got to Malinoukas.

Hence not "hate speach", but fact.

At the risk of further advancing reductio ad Judeaum, those institutions that promote Israel's right to exist know they're lobbying for Israel. No nation has a right to exist. A nation exists because it is recognised as existing... in the modern world by the UN.

Otherwise, how would you curb recognition of every ethnicity/ religious group/ culture from formalising its claim of a right to exist in its own country?

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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #51 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:16pm:

Well, maybe those today who are blinded by the dictates of the modern 'consumer'/celebrity economy and society.

Otherwise the requirements for happiness you outlined above remain the same over the centuries.

It's hard to imagine many Americans, in particular, not equating happiness with gross affluence, hedonism and consumerism.

Watching a few episodes of the wildly popular 'Landman' will demonstrate that.

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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #52 - Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 5:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 4:55pm:

As adults, I think we all have a pretty good idea of what would constitute hate speech and what wouldn't.

I've not seen any legislation that has an exact checklist of behaviours to describe dangerous driving, but I'm pretty sure I'd know if I was doing it or not.

Is this hate speech?

We have only 9 seconds of the 45 second video here:

Time stamp 21 - 30 seconds.

https://www.facebook.com/iwakeupwithtoday/videos/white-nationalist-brandan-kosch...

Brandan Koschel
Quote:

The hate speech laws were pushed by the Australian -
ahh the Jewish lobby groups
in Australia - they - they were behind it all - they were behind it all.

On the basis of that clip alone, I don't think it is (anti-semitic) "hate speech"; that section of the Jewish lobby, supported by the Murdoch press, which blindly promotes Israel's right to exist at the expense of Palestinians, doesn't speak for all fair-minded Jews.

And it's obvious the lobby got to Malinoukas.

Hence not "hate speech", but fact.

Be careful what you say - that was enough to get him locked up -
not given bail. Shocked

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Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech
Reply #53 - Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:18pm:

No nation has a right to exist.
Otherwise, how would you curb recognition of every ethnicity/ religious group/ culture from formalising its claim of a right to exist in its own country?

This is how tgd mind is working: Something that does not exist can exist if it says it does. Or in tdg experience, a person said something if tdg says they did.

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Reply #54 - Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:13am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:38pm:

Be careful what you say - that was enough to get him locked up -
not given bail.

It's been on the books for a while.
State law on conspiracy is 'an agreement between two or more people to committing an offence'.

Cwlth. 'A person who conspires with another person to commit an offence and must have committed an overt act pursuant to the agreement'.

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Reply #55 - Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:17am

chimera wrote on Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:38pm:

Be careful what you say - that was enough to get him locked up -
not given bail.

It's been on the books for a while.
State law on conspiracy is 'an agreement between two or more people to committing an offence'.

Cwlth. 'A person who conspires with another person to commit an offence and must have committed an overt act pursuant to the agreement'.

Who were the 2 people and what are you talking about?

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Reply #56 - Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:17am

chimera wrote on Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:18pm:

No nation has a right to exist.
Otherwise, how would you curb recognition of every ethnicity/ religious group/ culture from formalising its claim of a right to exist in its own country?

This is how tgd mind is working: Something that does not exist can exist if it says it does. Or in tdg experience, a person said something if tdg says they did.

There would be no China, India, Russia, Indonesia, Turkey, Canada, US, nor, likely, Australia, to name some of the largest, if every ethnicity/ religious group/ culture were recognised as having a right to exist in its own nation-state, based solely on that they said it does.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14603 Armidale Gender:	Re: Neo-Nazi arrested over hate speech Reply #57 - Jan 29^th, 2026 at 9:42am Bobby. wrote on Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:17am: chimera wrote on Jan 29^th, 2026 at 8:13am: State law on conspiracy is 'an agreement between two or more people to committing an offence'. Who were the 2 people and what are you talking about? There's no cartoon to illustrate it, Bobby. Can't help you.
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Reply #58 - Jan 30^th, 2026 at 9:03am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 1:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 1:18pm:

So the "Jewish lobby groups" are responsible for a set of hate speech laws that specifically protects the right of Muslims to use their religion to promote the slaughter of Jews?

It seems that way -
as long as it's in an Islamic religious text -
then it's OK to encourage the slaughter of Jews. Undecided

Maybe you shouldn't believe every conspiracy you read about the Jews?

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Reply #59 - Jan 30^th, 2026 at 9:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 4:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 4:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2026 at 10:58am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 27^th, 2026 at 5:07pm:

"A 31-year-old man was arrested for using hate speech linked to neo-Nazi ideology during a March for Australia protest in Sydney's inner east. He was detained by New South Wales police shortly before 3:00 PM after giving an open-microphone speech and is currently being questioned."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88RwKWP05Ec

It's a pity we probably won't be allowed to hear what the police deem to be "hate speech" in this case, so that we can decide for ourselves.

A court of law will decide, not the court of public opinion.

Yeh, but it would be good if the courts would enlighten us re how the law re "hate speech" works.

As adults, I think we all have a pretty good idea of what would constitute hate speech and what wouldn't.

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