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Reply #210 - Feb 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm
 
It's a simple, straightforward question Meister. I think even you could answer it.

Do you actually believe that you have the right to do something, even if the consistent and predictable result of doing it is someone trying to kill you - because pieces of paper trump reality?
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Reply #211 - Feb 3rd, 2026 at 5:19pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2026 at 4:01pm:
Me - and everyone else (ie not 2 "conspiring" people ).

You did it. You got there. Excellent work.
You had me worried there for a couple of days.  Well, you're halfway but heh that's good enough for now. Again, well done.
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Reply #212 - Feb 3rd, 2026 at 5:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
It's a simple, straightforward question Meister. I think even you could answer it.

Do you actually believe that you have the right to do something, even if the consistent and predictable result of doing it is someone trying to kill you - because pieces of paper trump reality?

No, it's a stupid question.. the sort you often latch onto on this site and repeat, like Tourette's.

But I think it might be revealing what's going on in your scrambled mind.

I'm guessing you probably subscribe to 'sovereign citizenry', which would 'empower' you to trespass on Aboriginal land... if you ever grew the balls to confront the state.
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Reply #213 - Feb 3rd, 2026 at 6:09pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2026 at 4:01pm:
Now, are you capable of explaining whether  the alleged 'neo nazi' has comitted "hate speech" or not, on the basis of the clip we heard ? 

Yes I am and yes he did. Australia is subject to Zion and victory for holiness. Criticism of Israel Jerusalem Judea is an offence against the Great Hall of Australia, Simpson's donkey and the horses of Beer Sheba and Lawrence.
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Reply #214 - Feb 3rd, 2026 at 6:12pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 3rd, 2026 at 5:24pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
It's a simple, straightforward question Meister. I think even you could answer it.

Do you actually believe that you have the right to do something, even if the consistent and predictable result of doing it is someone trying to kill you - because pieces of paper trump reality?

No, it's a stupid question.. the sort you often latch onto on this site and repeat, like Tourette's.

But I think it might be revealing what's going on in your scrambled mind.

I'm guessing you probably subscribe to 'sovereign citizenry', which would 'empower' you to trespass on Aboriginal land... if you ever grew the balls to confront the state.

It might also explain why you associate a right as existing only in the absence of resistance to the liberties it grants.

How else would 'sovereign citizens' sort out who can do what other than down the barrel of a gun?
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Reply #215 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:32am
 
It seems unusual for the hate Bill to be named:
'Combatting Antisemitism, Hate and Extremism (Criminal and Migration Laws) Bill 2026'.
Antisemitism is a policy of AFP.
'Investigating threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians'.
https://www.afp.gov.au/crimes/antisemitism

There are several strands of hatred in Oz and selecting one suggests that hatred against another group is not serious. That in turn can be a form of hate by the government. But it's all in the constitution at
s51  (xxvi.)  Parliament can make laws for 'The people of any race for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws'.

Special laws for a race. There you have it. Where do we go from there?
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Reply #216 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:41am
 
chimera wrote on Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:32am:
It seems unusual for the hate Bill to be named:
'Combatting Antisemitism, Hate and Extremism (Criminal and Migration Laws) Bill 2026'.
Antisemitism is a policy of AFP.
'Investigating threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians'.
https://www.afp.gov.au/crimes/antisemitism

There are several strands of hatred in Oz and selecting one suggests that hatred against another group is not serious. That in turn can be a form of hate by the government. But it's all in the constitution at
s51  (xxvi.)  Parliament can make laws for 'The people of any race for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws'.

Special laws for a race. There you have it. Where do we go from there?


Even more interesting, given that it specifically protects the right of Muslims to promote Jew slaughtering in the name of Islam.
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Reply #217 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:41am
 
Meister, do you actually believe that you have the right to do something, even if the consistent and predictable result of doing it is someone trying to kill you - because pieces of paper trump reality?
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Reply #218 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 8:48am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:41am:
Even more interesting, given that it specifically protects the right of Muslims to promote Jew slaughtering in the name of Islam.

Oh yes, s 46. 'Muslims have the right to slaughter Jews for Islam. Muahammed is the prophet'.
s.47. 'It's a crime to slaughter Jews for Islam'.
s.48. 'My head hurts'.

What are you talking about or don't you care?
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Reply #219 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 8:51am
 
Here is an example for you:

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2926

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
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Reply #220 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 9:01am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:41am:
Meister, do you actually believe that you have the right to do something, even if the consistent and predictable result of doing it is someone trying to kill you - because pieces of paper trump reality?

Isn't that what you believe Jews/Israelis have a right to do, because a paper-based UN recognition of Israel 'trumps reality'?
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Reply #221 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 9:06am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2026 at 8:51am:
Here is an example for you:

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2926

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Almost exactly what Christo-Europe thought of Jews for nearly 2000 years, do you think that's where Muhammed cribbed it from?

After all, he was heavily influenced by pre-Christian Messianic sects (disciples of 'The Way') whose ancestors had fled south into Arabia after the Romans sacked Jerusalem.
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Reply #222 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 9:12am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:41am:
Even more interesting, given that it specifically protects the right of Muslims to promote Jew slaughtering in the name of Islam.

The defence at 80.2BF(4) is available if the conduct consists only of directly quoting from, or otherwise referencing, a religious text for the purpose of religious teaching or discussion. The defence does not protect discussions beyond the mere quoting or referencing of the text if that broader discussion is intended to promote or incite hatred, or if it constitutes ideas of superiority.
1 Samuel 15:3 this command is given to Saul:.
“Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey”   The Amalekites were arch-enemies of the Israelites, inhabiting the Negev desert, south Israel.

Are you saying that Australia's parliament is Islamic?
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Reply #223 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 9:20am
 

It might go to the High Court:


https://au.news.yahoo.com/first-australian-jailed-nazi-salute-053528226.html


Wed 4 February 2026     at 5:27 pm AEDT

First Australian jailed for Nazi salute.



Hersant returned to the County Court on Wednesday afternoon for a plea hearing and sentencing.

His barrister, Tim Smartt, urged Judge Moglia to not sentence his client to jail, described in references to the court as a “wonderful father” to his three-year-old son.

Mr Smartt said Hersant retains the support of his parents, despite them both disagreeing with his political views.


“People are far better than their very worst deeds,” Mr Smartt said.

“(Hersant is a) far better person than the 10 minutes on that video.”


Mr Smartt argued Hersant had been “provoked” by the presence of the media outside court, but conceded the salute was done with a degree of hubris or arrogance after having received a lenient sentence.

The court was told there had been 18 cases across Australia for performing illegal Nazi salutes, with none resulting in a jail sentence.

Mr Smartt pointed to several of these; including outside a synagogue on the Gold Coast, outside a Jewish museum and in a Perth bar, that had resulted in sentences less than jail.


“It is by far the most severe sentence in Australia,” he said of Hersant’s sentence.

“You can’t jail your way into social cohesion, these people aren’t going to change their views on a sentence in this case.”

Daniel Gurvich KC, for the Crown, argued Hersant’s offending was done in a calculated fashion to achieve maximum impact and demonstrated “disdain for the law”.


Sentencing Hersant, Judge Moglia said the salute was performed with the full appreciation of it being unlawful and in the context of him having just been sentenced for a “most terrifying” and “violent” incident.

“I accept he relished that opportunity ... with the full knowledge it was being done not simply in the presence of a few people but in the presence of the wider community in a realistic way,” the judge said.


Judge Moglia described the context as “contemptuous” and designed to send a “chilling message to the community”.

Hersant was sentenced to one month in jail and fined $1000 for breaching a community corrections order by performing the salute.

He has repeatedly described himself a Nazi and was a leading figure in the National Socialist Network until the neo-Nazi group claims to have disbanded last month to avoid the federal government’s new hate group legislation.

Hersant has flagged his intention to appeal the case to the High Court.
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Reply #224 - Feb 5th, 2026 at 10:10am
 
chimera wrote on Feb 5th, 2026 at 9:12am:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2026 at 7:41am:
Even more interesting, given that it specifically protects the right of Muslims to promote Jew slaughtering in the name of Islam.

The defence at 80.2BF(4) is available if the conduct consists only of directly quoting from, or otherwise referencing, a religious text for the purpose of religious teaching or discussion. The defence does not protect discussions beyond the mere quoting or referencing of the text if that broader discussion is intended to promote or incite hatred, or if it constitutes ideas of superiority.
1 Samuel 15:3 this command is given to Saul:.
“Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey”   The Amalekites were arch-enemies of the Israelites, inhabiting the Negev desert, south Israel.

Are you saying that Australia's parliament is Islamic?


No. If I was saying that, I would be saying that.
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