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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #75 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 12:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 11:03am:

tallowood wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:49am:

chimera wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:44am:

(But it must be the Imams. It has to be).

Yes.

Indeed.

Devout Muslims can't even take a shhit without consulting an imam about the correct procedure.

Abu Ayyub Al-Ansari narrated that :
Allah's Messenger said: "When one of you arrives to defecate, then let none of you face the Qiblah while defecating, nor while urinating. And do not have your back towards it, but have it east of you or west of you."

Abdur-Rahman bin Yazld said, :
"They said to Salman, 'Your Prophet taught you about everything, even defecating?' So Salman said, 'Yes. He prohibited us from facing the Qiblah when defecating and urinating, performing Istinja with the right hand, using less than three stones for Istinja, and using dung or bones for Istinja"

There are more rules here:

https://sunnah.com/search?q=defecate

you can word serch for all occasions.

You obviously attended the Somali school to do your learning, hey, Soren? Neither Abu Ayyub Al-Ansari or Abdur-Rahman bin Yazld appear in the Koran. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The koran was given to the illiterate mo in a cave by the archangel Gabriel..

The story is so ludicrous, it makes followers of ron hubbard or the church of mormon seem like spiritual geniuses.

Why do the left love it so.

The Virgin Mary is a silly story , the Muslim faith is a silly story on steroids.

Why don't the left laugh at it.

Are they afraid of violence from its followers.

How cowardly

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #76 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:46pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:44pm:

Muslims are following Muhammad's example. Muhammad preached peace and tolerance of the pagans, jews and christians he was living with. Until he thought he could get away with rape and pillage. Then he preached rape and pillage, and lead his army out to do so.

Our Imam's are no different. You getting hung up on the relatively low rate of rape and pillage (it is still far higher than for non-Muslims, even in Australia), is merely wilful naivete.

I thought Muhammad was a great prophet? - peace be upon him.

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #77 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:48pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:45pm:

The koran was given to the illiterate mo in a cave by the archangel Gabriel..

The story is so ludicrous, it makes followers of ron hubbard or the church of mormon seem like spiritual geniuses.

Why do the left love it so.

The Virgin Mary is a silly story , the Muslim faith is a silly story on steroids.

Why don't the left laugh at it.

Are they afraid of violence from its followers.

How cowardly

That's blasphemy -

in Torquemada's Spain you would have been punished severely and
even today in Saudi Arabia or Iran you'd be hanged.

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #79 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 5:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:45pm:

The koran was given to the illiterate mo in a cave by the archangel Gabriel..

The story is so ludicrous, it makes followers of ron hubbard or the church of mormon seem like spiritual geniuses.

Why do the left love it so.

The Virgin Mary is a silly story , the Muslim faith is a silly story on steroids.

Why don't the left laugh at it.

Are they afraid of violence from its followers.

How cowardly

That's blasphemy -

in Torquemada's Spain you would have been punished severely and
even today in Saudi Arabia or Iran you'd be hanged.

Doesn't that tell you something

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #80 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 6:06pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:44pm:

Muslims are following Muhammad's example. Muhammad preached peace and tolerance of the pagans, jews and christians he was living with. Until he thought he could get away with rape and pillage. Then he preached rape and pillage, and lead his army out to do so.

You talking about Muhammad, or Trump? Undecided

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #81 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 8:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 5:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:45pm:

The koran was given to the illiterate mo in a cave by the archangel Gabriel..

The story is so ludicrous, it makes followers of ron hubbard or the church of mormon seem like spiritual geniuses.

Why do the left love it so.

The Virgin Mary is a silly story , the Muslim faith is a silly story on steroids.

Why don't the left laugh at it.

Are they afraid of violence from its followers.

How cowardly

That's blasphemy -

in Torquemada's Spain you would have been punished severely and
even today in Saudi Arabia or Iran you'd be hanged.

Doesn't that tell you something

It tells you that religion is fear:

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #82 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2026 at 11:40am:

You don't enjoy being corrected do you, Freediver? The Quran was created well after the death of Mohammad. Some 100-150 years later in fact. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The Quran was made into a book about 20 years after Muhammad died by the Caliph Uthman.

Bwhine the bullshitter is wrong again tsk tsk tsk
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #83 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:07pm

Thanks to AnAls exemption for religious texts these books are legal under his stupid hate speech laws.

Both books cite Quran and Sunnah religious texts therefore it's OK for muslims to promote Jihad against the infidels.

44 ways to support Jihad by Anwar Awlaki
https://ebooks.worldofislam.info/ebooks/Jihad/Anwar_Al_Awlaki_-_44_Ways_To_Suppo...

The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhass
https://ia601308.us.archive.org/30/items/TheBookOfJihad/Mashari.pdf

NSW Labor leader Minns said we can't have free speech we have to preserve a culture that has blasphemy laws.

Lefties have gone full retard once upon a time they actually supported Free Speech.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #84 - Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:21pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:44pm:

Muslims are following Muhammad's example.

Muhammad preached peace and tolerance of the pagans, jews and christians he was living with.

Until he thought he could get away with rape and pillage.

Then he preached rape and pillage, and lead his army out to do so.

Our Imam's are no different.

You getting hung up on the relatively low rate of rape and pillage (it is still far higher than for non-Muslims, even in Australia), is merely wilful naivete.

Correct, imo.

QUESTION;
The Imam's in Australia, are they the community leaders,
and the teachers of ISLAM's >> long established << doctrines,
here in Australia ?

A.
Of course they are.

Who else,
are the leaders of their communities ?

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Deceit and malevolent malice.

.....a part of the strategy of ISLAM's war,
against the ['local'] disbelievers.

Pretending friendship and tolerance, of disbelievers [in their host nation],
....but ONLY while the moslems are yet weak.

AS PER........

A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGED MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, IN 2007,
TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY,
FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [...towards those who are not moslems];

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

ABOVE....
We can see a clear malevolent intent being expressed.....
coming from the lips of that ISLAMIC scholar.

But try and present these proven and provable truths,
to any Western politician,
in order to elicit some political control,
or some social penalty against ISLAM,
or its followers.

.

Allah's enemies.....
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Allah's enemies.....
"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

Allah's enemies.....
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

Allah's enemies.....
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44

Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain..."
Koran 9.111

Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,..."
Koran 9.29

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #85 - Jan 23^rd, 2026 at 6:13am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:07pm:

Thanks to AnAls exemption for religious texts these books are legal under his stupid hate speech laws.

NSW Labor leader Minns said we can't have free speech we have to preserve a culture that has blasphemy laws.

You are arguing against yourself. And that Minns is for and against himself. And you even say we have blasphemy laws. (What is Catholic excommunication?)

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #86 - Jan 23^rd, 2026 at 8:09am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2026 at 11:40am:

You don't enjoy being corrected do you, Freediver? The Quran was created well after the death of Mohammad. Some 100-150 years later in fact. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The Quran was made into a book about 20 years after Muhammad died by the Caliph Uthman.

Bwhine the bullshitter is wrong again tsk tsk tsk
Grin

Brian DD is wrong:

Google AI:

Caliph Uthman (r. 644–656 CE) commissioned the compilation of the Quran into a single,
standardized book (the Uthmanic codex) around 20 years after Prophet Muhammad's death (632 CE),

creating the authoritative text used today by unifying earlier compilations and variants. While the initial compilation began under Abu Bakr, Uthman finalized the standard text,
ordering other differing versions to be destroyed to ensure textual consistency across the expanding Muslim world,
though Shia Muslims believe the Quran was fully compiled by Muhammad.

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #87 - Jan 23^rd, 2026 at 4:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 21^st, 2026 at 11:40am:

You don't enjoy being corrected do you, Freediver? The Quran was created well after the death of Mohammad. Some 100-150 years later in fact. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The Quran was made into a book about 20 years after Muhammad died by the Caliph Uthman.

You are correct, Baron. I was incorrect, I admit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #88 - Jan 23^rd, 2026 at 4:50pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 12:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 11:03am:

tallowood wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:49am:

chimera wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 10:44am:

(But it must be the Imams. It has to be).

Yes.

Indeed.

Devout Muslims can't even take a shhit without consulting an imam about the correct procedure.

Abu Ayyub Al-Ansari narrated that :
Allah's Messenger said: "When one of you arrives to defecate, then let none of you face the Qiblah while defecating, nor while urinating. And do not have your back towards it, but have it east of you or west of you."

Abdur-Rahman bin Yazld said, :
"They said to Salman, 'Your Prophet taught you about everything, even defecating?' So Salman said, 'Yes. He prohibited us from facing the Qiblah when defecating and urinating, performing Istinja with the right hand, using less than three stones for Istinja, and using dung or bones for Istinja"

There are more rules here:

https://sunnah.com/search?q=defecate

you can word serch for all occasions.

You obviously attended the Somali school to do your learning, hey, Soren? Neither Abu Ayyub Al-Ansari or Abdur-Rahman bin Yazld appear in the Koran. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The koran was given to the illiterate mo in a cave by the archangel Gabriel..

The story is so ludicrous, it makes followers of ron hubbard or the church of mormon seem like spiritual geniuses.

Why do the left love it so.

The Virgin Mary is a silly story , the Muslim faith is a silly story on steroids.

Why don't the left laugh at it.

Are they afraid of violence from its followers.

How cowardly

Not cowardly, but needing to support the scripture of the "world's great religions", to maintain societal harmony.

Eg, what is the obsolete book of Dueteronomy still doing in the OT - supposedly the "Word of God"?

The Left would rather the scriptural ruse was exposed, unlike the Right...who count themselves among Trump's base.

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Re: Religious exemption in hate speech bill
Reply #89 - Jan 23^rd, 2026 at 5:05pm

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2026 at 3:44pm:

Muslims are following Muhammad's example. Muhammad preached peace and tolerance of the pagans, jews and christians he was living with. Until he thought he could get away with rape and pillage. Then he preached rape and pillage, and lead his army out to do so.

Your error: until they resisted his new revelations re the One True God.
Those who resisted were 'Infidels' by definition, deserving punishment.

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Our Imam's are no different. You getting hung up on the relatively low rate of rape and pillage (it is still far higher than for non-Muslims, even in Australia), is merely wilful naivete.

I suppose some Imams like some Rabbis and priests are humanist by inclination.

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