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Reply #15 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:38pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 9:32am:
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In a significant outage caused by sabotage I once worked 48 hrs as a public servant. Peoples opinion of public service is at least 3 decades out of date. Much of the efficiencies attributer to private business is just fantasy. Both areas of work are not that dissimilar.



Like automatic sacking of the worst performing 10% of their workers every year?    Undecided


You mean the ones who are not propped up by nepotism or favouritism ? Most managers simply do not know who their best or worst performers are. This is a lot more difficult than most people believe.

Many managers believe that their best communicator is the most efficient, fact is that very regularly their real skill is in claiming credit for the work of others. People very much tend to believe that the best performers are the people they like the most and the worst performers are the people they do not identify with. This is almost always incorrect.
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Reply #16 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:01pm
 

Google AI:


The automatic firing of the bottom 10% of workers, often referred to as "rank and yank" or a "vitality curve," is a performance management system famously championed by Jack Welch during his tenure as CEO of General Electric (GE) in the 1980s and 1990s. The approach aims to ensure continuous workforce improvement by ranking employees and removing the lowest performers, regardless of overall team performance.


Key Aspects of the 10% Firing Rule:
The "20-70-10" System: Welch categorized the workforce into three groups: the top 20% (A players, rewarded with bonuses/promotions), the middle 70% (B players, developed), and the bottom 10% (C players, "yanked" or fired).



Goal: The strategy aimed to constantly raise the bar, replacing underperformers with new hires to foster a high-performance culture.


"Neutron Jack": Welch earned this nickname for his scorched-earth approach to reducing the workforce through this system.


Companies Associated with the Practice:
General Electric (GE): The most famous user of this system under Jack Welch, though it was largely phased out after he departed.


Amazon: Reports indicate that some managers at Amazon use "unregretted attrition" (URA) targets, or a similar "rank-and-yank" approach, to push out a percentage of underperforming staff annually.


Other Companies: Historically, companies such as Microsoft, Ford, Conoco, and others used forced ranking, though many, including Microsoft, abandoned it due to toxic effects on culture.


Intuit: In 2024, the company was noted for cutting ~10% of its workforce, intending to replace underperformers with new talent focused on AI.


Controversies and Drawbacks:
Kills Collaboration: It creates a cut-throat, Darwinian environment where employees avoid helping teammates because helping someone might hurt their own ranking.


Arbitrary Firing: It forces managers to fire people even if the entire team is performing well.


High Turnover/Morale Damage: It creates a culture of fear, leading to high anxiety and disengagement among staff.
Ineffective Long-Term: Studies suggest that this system often does not lead to long-term success and discourages innovation.

While the practice fell out of favor, some reports suggest it is seeing a "quiet comeback," particularly in tech companies that use advanced data analytics to justify the rankings.
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Reply #17 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:05pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:38pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 9:32am:
DNA -
you must live in a different universe.    Roll Eyes


In a significant outage caused by sabotage I once worked 48 hrs as a public servant. Peoples opinion of public service is at least 3 decades out of date. Much of the efficiencies attributer to private business is just fantasy. Both areas of work are not that dissimilar.



Like automatic sacking of the worst performing 10% of their workers every year?    Undecided


You mean the ones who are not propped up by nepotism or favouritism ? Most managers simply do not know who their best or worst performers are. This is a lot more difficult than most people believe.

Many managers believe that their best communicator is the most efficient, fact is that very regularly their real skill is in claiming credit for the work of others. People very much tend to believe that the best performers are the people they like the most and the worst performers are the people they do not identify with. This is almost always incorrect.



I can tell you that the bottom 10% firing ideas are alive and well in Australia
but not in the public service.
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Reply #18 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:20pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:05pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:38pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 3:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 9:32am:
DNA -
you must live in a different universe.    Roll Eyes


In a significant outage caused by sabotage I once worked 48 hrs as a public servant. Peoples opinion of public service is at least 3 decades out of date. Much of the efficiencies attributer to private business is just fantasy. Both areas of work are not that dissimilar.



Like automatic sacking of the worst performing 10% of their workers every year?    Undecided


You mean the ones who are not propped up by nepotism or favouritism ? Most managers simply do not know who their best or worst performers are. This is a lot more difficult than most people believe.

Many managers believe that their best communicator is the most efficient, fact is that very regularly their real skill is in claiming credit for the work of others. People very much tend to believe that the best performers are the people they like the most and the worst performers are the people they do not identify with. This is almost always incorrect.



I can tell you that the bottom 10% firing ideas are alive and well in Australia
but not in the public service.


Never seen or heard of it.

The one I am aware of is the corrup re structure every three years which invariably contains a downsizing component. However this downsize isn't related to performance it relates to managment bonuses based on cost savings..

Companies switch between 3 structures and it is a useful method of justifying managment bonuses. The three year rotation is to maintain balance, the employee numbers are restored by the end of the first year and then maintained the next to avoid the damage from being understaffed. The third year they start agin.
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Reply #19 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:33pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Never seen or heard of it.

The one I am aware of is the corrup re structure every three years which invariably contains a downsizing component. However this downsize isn't related to performance it relates to managment bonuses.

Companies switch between 3 structures and it is a useful method of justifying managment bonuses. The three year rotation is to maintain balance, the employee numbers are restored by the end of the first year and then maintained the next to avoid the damage from being understaffed. The third year they start agin.



I've heard of worse.

A story of a new managing director hired for a small company
with 25 employees in Australia but 1000's employed overseas - a multinational.

Within 3 months of him arriving he had all 25 employees on a performance improvement plan.
Within 2 years 22 out of 25 those employees had been either sacked or retrenched.
A whole section of that company was closed down too as
he had sacked all its key workers even though it was making a good profit before he turned up.

He was a wrecking ball who destroyed the careers of many people including some
with high degrees from Melbourne university -
a place where you have to be gifted to even study there.

People in the public service have no idea of how tough it is in private industry.



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Reply #20 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:08pm
 
“Arbitrary Firing: It forces managers to fire people even if the entire team is performing well.”

I would suggest that the focus should be on the 60% of public servants in  senior management positions should be culled effectively every 3 months.

Just like uni isn’t the real world nor is sending emails to each other valuable work!?!

Just get rid of them.

It will be like sticking your arm in a bucket of water and pulling it out.


The hole that is left behind is exactly how much they contribute and exactly how much they will be missed!

The work will still be done on the front line.

Just the manager who does nothing but paid six figures will be very sad that they have to find a job where they actually have to be responsible and held accountable.
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Reply #21 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:17pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
“Arbitrary Firing: It forces managers to fire people even if the entire team is performing well.”

I would suggest that the focus should be on the 60% of public servants in  senior management positions should be culled effectively every 3 months.

Just like uni isn’t the real world nor is sending emails to each other valuable work!?!

Just get rid of them.

It will be the sticking your arm in a bucket of water and pulling it out.


The hole that is left behind is exactly how much they contribute and exactly how much they will be missed!



I think the real reason behind so many public servants is to lower the unemployment levels.
Private industry is not hiring so Albo and his Labor State leaders
borrow money to hire people to make their economies look good.

It's all smoke and mirrors.
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Reply #22 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:53pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:33pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 4:20pm:
Never seen or heard of it.

The one I am aware of is the corrup re structure every three years which invariably contains a downsizing component. However this downsize isn't related to performance it relates to managment bonuses.

Companies switch between 3 structures and it is a useful method of justifying managment bonuses. The three year rotation is to maintain balance, the employee numbers are restored by the end of the first year and then maintained the next to avoid the damage from being understaffed. The third year they start agin.



I've heard of worse.

A story of a new managing director hired for a small company
with 25 employees in Australia but 1000's employed overseas - a multinational.

Within 3 months of him arriving he had all 25 employees on a performance improvement plan.
Within 2 years 22 out of 25 those employees had been either sacked or retrenched.
A whole section of that company was closed down too as
he had sacked all its key workers even though it was making a good profit before he turned up.

He was a wrecking ball who destroyed the careers of many people including some
with high degrees from Melbourne university -
a place where you have to be gifted to even study there.

People in the public service have no idea of how tough it is in private industry.





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I've heard of worse.


It wans't meant as a particularly bad example - it is just the typical standard operating process of most mid size or above businesses.
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Reply #23 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:55pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:17pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
“Arbitrary Firing: It forces managers to fire people even if the entire team is performing well.”

I would suggest that the focus should be on the 60% of public servants in  senior management positions should be culled effectively every 3 months.

Just like uni isn’t the real world nor is sending emails to each other valuable work!?!

Just get rid of them.

It will be the sticking your arm in a bucket of water and pulling it out.


The hole that is left behind is exactly how much they contribute and exactly how much they will be missed!



I think the real reason behind so many public servants is to lower the unemployment levels.
Private industry is not hiring so Albo and his Labor State leaders
borrow money to hire people to make their economies look good.

It's all smoke and mirrors.


Wrong
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Reply #24 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 6:08pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:17pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
“Arbitrary Firing: It forces managers to fire people even if the entire team is performing well.”

I would suggest that the focus should be on the 60% of public servants in  senior management positions should be culled effectively every 3 months.

Just like uni isn’t the real world nor is sending emails to each other valuable work!?!

Just get rid of them.

It will be the sticking your arm in a bucket of water and pulling it out.


The hole that is left behind is exactly how much they contribute and exactly how much they will be missed!



I think the real reason behind so many public servants is to lower the unemployment levels.
Private industry is not hiring so Albo and his Labor State leaders
borrow money to hire people to make their economies look good.

It's all smoke and mirrors.


Wrong



Tax payers money is paying for it -

the RBA is printing money to do it.

The Public service is now bloated and the largest in our history
and so is our Federal and State Debt.
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Reply #25 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 7:07pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:17pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
“Arbitrary Firing: It forces managers to fire people even if the entire team is performing well.”

I would suggest that the focus should be on the 60% of public servants in  senior management positions should be culled effectively every 3 months.

Just like uni isn’t the real world nor is sending emails to each other valuable work!?!

Just get rid of them.

It will be the sticking your arm in a bucket of water and pulling it out.


The hole that is left behind is exactly how much they contribute and exactly how much they will be missed!



I think the real reason behind so many public servants is to lower the unemployment levels.
Private industry is not hiring so Albo and his Labor State leaders
borrow money to hire people to make their economies look good.

It's all smoke and mirrors.


Wrong


Oh, look, ducky has gone to the School of Reasoning for 5 year olds!

He made duxGrin Cheesy

Boom boom.
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Reply #26 - Jan 17th, 2026 at 8:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 7:07pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:17pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jan 17th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
“Arbitrary Firing: It forces managers to fire people even if the entire team is performing well.”

I would suggest that the focus should be on the 60% of public servants in  senior management positions should be culled effectively every 3 months.

Just like uni isn’t the real world nor is sending emails to each other valuable work!?!

Just get rid of them.

It will be the sticking your arm in a bucket of water and pulling it out.


The hole that is left behind is exactly how much they contribute and exactly how much they will be missed!



I think the real reason behind so many public servants is to lower the unemployment levels.
Private industry is not hiring so Albo and his Labor State leaders
borrow money to hire people to make their economies look good.

It's all smoke and mirrors.


Wrong


Oh, look, ducky has gone to the School of Reasoning for 5 year olds!

He made duxGrin Cheesy

Boom boom.


So you believe that public service numbers are an unemployment statistics ploy ?  Really ???

Sometimes things seem to be dumb just because they are.

Do you need to change feet.
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Reply #27 - Jan 18th, 2026 at 4:23pm
 
Just a small point, many public servants work in industries [or did].
I spent a number of years as a public servant, both as an Armorer and a machine shop foreman in the Dept. of Defence, the war was on in Vietnam and we were working in support of the troops, many of whom we knew personally, we worked, there were no slackers.
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