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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #15 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 10:49am

Dr Bobi wrote on Jan 13^th, 2026 at 6:36pm:

Suck on this one, leftards.

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A draft of Labor's new hate speech bill, seen by the ABC, creates a new federal offence making it illegal to publicly promote or incite racial hatred where the conduct would cause a reasonable person to feel intimidated, harassed or fear violence.

But it includes a narrow defence where the speech, writing or other form of public gesture is solely quoting religious texts for teaching or discussion.

What's next?
Parliament has been recalled to sit for two days next week to debate the wideranging bill, which also includes changes to gun laws proposed in the wake of the Bondi attack.

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Maximum penalties of up to five years imprisonment apply, with higher sentences available where offences are aggravated.

This could include where a religious official or preacher is involved, or where children are targeted.

You should be okay, Brian. You're a doctor of divinity, no?

I don't think the old boy's going to be too happy.

Better use up your Paki Bastards before next week, dear boy. A five year sentence is a guaranteed deportation.

You'd better keep an eye on things, Freediver. We wouldn't want to see you do hard time, dear.

Freeeeedom, innit.

Islam is not a race.

And this action by the Govt is not dealing with the real issues - which have nothing to do gun laws or anti-wacism.

Your problem is that most Pakis are muslims.

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 11:27am

Gnads wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 10:49am:

Dr Bobi wrote on Jan 13^th, 2026 at 6:36pm:

Suck on this one, leftards.

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A draft of Labor's new hate speech bill, seen by the ABC, creates a new federal offence making it illegal to publicly promote or incite racial hatred where the conduct would cause a reasonable person to feel intimidated, harassed or fear violence.

But it includes a narrow defence where the speech, writing or other form of public gesture is solely quoting religious texts for teaching or discussion.

What's next?
Parliament has been recalled to sit for two days next week to debate the wideranging bill, which also includes changes to gun laws proposed in the wake of the Bondi attack.

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Maximum penalties of up to five years imprisonment apply, with higher sentences available where offences are aggravated.

This could include where a religious official or preacher is involved, or where children are targeted.

You should be okay, Brian. You're a doctor of divinity, no?

I don't think the old boy's going to be too happy.

Better use up your Paki Bastards before next week, dear boy. A five year sentence is a guaranteed deportation.

You'd better keep an eye on things, Freediver. We wouldn't want to see you do hard time, dear.

Freeeeedom, innit.

Islam is not a race.

And neither is Christianity.

But is Judaism a race?

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And this action by the Govt is not dealing with the real issues - which have nothing to do gun laws or anti-wacism.

The real issue is Islamic terrorism caused by the ongoing genocidal colonization of Palestine Mandate land by 'Infidels"....

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #17 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 11:45am

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But is Judaism a race?

Yes. Sort of as a consequence of it not being a proselytising religion. People are called Jews, and call themselves Jews, by virtue of birth, religion, or both.

Islam appears to have a similar concept, that if you are born to a Muslim father you are considered a Muslim. But it is also a proselytising religion, and it seems to be more of a legal point - so they can chop your head off if you abandon Islam. So all the raping they do alongside their pillaging helps to spread the ideology.

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #18 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 1:20pm

freediver wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 11:45am:

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But is Judaism a race?

Yes. Sort of as a consequence of it not being a proselytising religion. People are called Jews, and call themselves Jews, by virtue of birth, religion, or both.

Presumably Judaism didn't become a proselytising religion because Israel never expanded beyond its original borders, and after the brief Golden Age under Solomon, was gradually incorporated into a succession of international empires, until its extinction in 2nd century Roman time.

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Islam appears to have a similar concept, that if you are born to a Muslim father you are considered a Muslim. But it is also a proselytising religion, and it seems to be more of a legal point - so they can chop your head off if you abandon Islam. So all the raping they do alongside their pillaging helps to spread the ideology.

Your error: Islam, unlike Judaism, conquered half the known world in the centuries after its founding.

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #19 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 1:29pm

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Presumably Judaism didn't become a proselytising religion because Israel never expanded beyond its original borders

It's part of the ideology. Religions exist outside of national borders. Only Islam combines nationalism and religion into the same thing (AFAIK). Christianity for example isn't proselytising because it expanded beyond its original borders. It had no original borders. The religion was around for several centuries before any nation-state aligned itself with it.

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Your error: Islam, unlike Judaism, conquered half the known world in the centuries after its founding.

That is your error, not mine. Stop equating your inability to comprehend what I post, or me not phrasing it exactly how you would, with an error on my part. Or explain what statement you are attempting to contradict.

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #20 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 11:27am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 10:49am:

Dr Bobi wrote on Jan 13^th, 2026 at 6:36pm:

Suck on this one, leftards.

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A draft of Labor's new hate speech bill, seen by the ABC, creates a new federal offence making it illegal to publicly promote or incite racial hatred where the conduct would cause a reasonable person to feel intimidated, harassed or fear violence.

But it includes a narrow defence where the speech, writing or other form of public gesture is solely quoting religious texts for teaching or discussion.

What's next?
Parliament has been recalled to sit for two days next week to debate the wideranging bill, which also includes changes to gun laws proposed in the wake of the Bondi attack.

Quote:

Maximum penalties of up to five years imprisonment apply, with higher sentences available where offences are aggravated.

This could include where a religious official or preacher is involved, or where children are targeted.

You should be okay, Brian. You're a doctor of divinity, no?

I don't think the old boy's going to be too happy.

Better use up your Paki Bastards before next week, dear boy. A five year sentence is a guaranteed deportation.

You'd better keep an eye on things, Freediver. We wouldn't want to see you do hard time, dear.

Freeeeedom, innit.

Islam is not a race.

And neither is Christianity.

But is Judaism a race?

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And this action by the Govt is not dealing with the real issues - which have nothing to do gun laws or anti-wacism.

The real issue is Islamic terrorism caused by the ongoing genocidal colonization of Palestine Mandate land by 'Infidels"....

Did I say it was?

Is Judaism a race - NO.

Incorrect the Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam & it's primitive hate filled doctrine.

Islamic Arab tribal people have no claim to what traditionally wasn't theirs in the first place.

They came with the Muslim invasion ..... the Jews were there first.

Romans invented the name Palestina.

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #21 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:35pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 1:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 11:45am:

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But is Judaism a race?

Yes. Sort of as a consequence of it not being a proselytising religion. People are called Jews, and call themselves Jews, by virtue of birth, religion, or both.

Presumably Judaism didn't become a proselytising religion because Israel never expanded beyond its original borders, and after the brief Golden Age under Solomon, was gradually incorporated into a succession of international empires, until its extinction in 2nd century Roman time.

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Islam appears to have a similar concept, that if you are born to a Muslim father you are considered a Muslim. But it is also a proselytising religion, and it seems to be more of a legal point - so they can chop your head off if you abandon Islam. So all the raping they do alongside their pillaging helps to spread the ideology.

Your error: Islam, unlike Judaism, conquered half the known world in the centuries after its founding.

The known world to them. Roll Eyes

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #22 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm

Labor’s ‘Hate Speech CENSORSHIP Bill’ applies to "conduct" that occurred BEFORE its commencement.

Labor wants to charge people for past speech & social media posts although speech was legal at the time.

This is truly insane

A retrospective law (or retroactive law) is a statute that applies to events or actions that occurred before the law was enacted, changing their legal status, rights, or obligations after the fact, which is generally disfavored for criminal matters but common in areas like taxation to address past transactions or clarify existing rules, though it can create uncertainty. While protections prevent criminalizing past acts or increasing penalties, civil retrospective laws often aim to validate decisions or protect revenue, sometimes applying from the date of a government announcement rather than the actual enactment.

Key Aspects of Retrospective Laws:

Definition: A law that changes the legal effect of past events, making something legal now that was illegal (or vice versa) or altering existing rights/obligations.
Criminal Law: Strong protections exist (like in Australia's Charter of Rights) to prevent people from being punished for acts that weren't crimes when committed, or from facing harsher penalties than existed at the time.

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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #23 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:50pm

freediver wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 1:29pm:

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Presumably Judaism didn't become a proselytising religion because Israel never expanded beyond its original borders

It's part of the ideology.

Yet in Genesis "God pledges to the patriarch Abraham and his descendants that they will become as numerous as the "sands on the seashore" and also "as the stars in the sky".

If not by proselytising or conquest of other nations, then how?

Note: Israel's conquests ended with the capture of Jerusalem c.1100BC.

Hence today there are <20,000 Jews in the world.....

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Religions exist outside of national borders.

Yes, by proselytising and conquest.

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Only Islam combines nationalism and religion into the same thing (AFAIK). Christianity for example isn't proselytising because it expanded beyond its original borders. It had no original borders. The religion was around for several centuries before any nation-state aligned itself with it.

Several errors there: Christianity's reach expanded massively when Constantine adopted it as the Empire's official religion; successor states retained that religion after the Empire's collapse. And Christian missionaries were experts in 'proselytising' all around the world, in the days of Western European supremacy.

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TGD Your error: Islam, unlike Judaism, conquered half the known world in the centuries after its founding.

That is your error, not mine. Stop equating your inability to comprehend what I post, or me not phrasing it exactly how you would, with an error on my part.

Your error - meaning your failure to analyze the points in contention correctly, as shown above - is the problem.

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Or explain what statement you are attempting to contradict.

See above, for examples.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56272 Gender:	Re: Anti-wacism laws Reply #24 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:55pm Chinese Communism is evidently a proselysing reigion, too.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 6836	Re: Anti-wacism laws Reply #25 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:03pm Quote: But is Judaism a race? Read about the Krymchaks (Turkic-speaking, Rabbinic) and Karaites (Karaite Judaism).
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116627 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Anti-wacism laws Reply #26 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:11pm tallowood wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:03pm: Quote: But is Judaism a race? Read about the Krymchaks (Turkic-speaking, Rabbinic) and Karaites (Karaite Judaism). What is your point of contention?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 6836	Re: Anti-wacism laws Reply #27 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:20pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:11pm: tallowood wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:03pm: Quote: But is Judaism a race? Read about the Krymchaks (Turkic-speaking, Rabbinic) and Karaites (Karaite Judaism). What is your point of contention? Historical education.
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ProudKangaroo Gold Member Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 21798 Meeanjin (Brisbane)	Re: Anti-wacism laws Reply #28 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:20pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 13^th, 2026 at 11:45pm: Would this be hate speech? You and Ozpolitic.com would get done under these new laws.
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Re: Anti-wacism laws
Reply #29 - Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:22pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 13^th, 2026 at 11:45pm:

Would this be hate speech?

You and Ozpolitic.com would get done under these new laws.

Yes - if you said 10 years ago that there were too many Darkies here
you could be sent to a Gulag for 15 years of hard labor.

I wonder where they'll construct the Gulags?

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