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AUKUS - The High Probability Of Failure Warning
Jan 12th, 2026 at 12:45pm
 
High probability of failure’: Former top official’s dire AUKUS warning   Sad

Sydney Morning Herald
January 12, 2026

Plans to develop a new class of nuclear-powered submarine for Australia and the United Kingdom under the AUKUS pact are likely to collapse because of the shambolic state of the UK’s submarine service, a former top British defence official has warned.   Sad

Under the “optimal pathway” for AUKUS announced by the Albanese government in March 2023, the British and Australian navies would introduce a new class of nuclear-powered attack submarines known as the SSN-AUKUS from the late 2030s, with at least five to be built in South Australia.

Retired rear admiral Philip Mathias, a former director of nuclear policy with the UK Ministry of Defence, said he feared Australians were not adequately informed about how the troubles plaguing the British navy could sink both nations’ AUKUS ambitions.   Sad


The new SSN-AUKUS class of submarine is set to replace Britain’s Astute-class attack submarines.

Mathias said British politicians had enthusiastically embraced the industrial and economic opportunities of AUKUS and wanted to expand the UK’s military presence in the Indo-Pacific.

“But policy and money don’t build nuclear submarines. People do that and there are not enough of them with the right level of skills and experience,” Mathias, an ex-nuclear submarine commanding officer, told this masthead.

“Whilst the United States may sell some [nuclear-powered submarines] to Australia, there is a high probability that the UK element of AUKUS will fail, making the international row in 2021 over the cancellation of the plan for Australia to build French-designed submarines look like a non-event.”

Mathias, who led a 2010 review of the UK Trident nuclear-weapons system, said: “It is clear that Australia has shown a great deal of naivety and did not conduct sufficient due diligence on the parlous state of the UK’s nuclear submarine program before signing up to AUKUS – and parting with billions of dollars, which it has already started to do.

“In the last four years there have been plenty of announcements and political grandstanding, plus numerous international visits, forums and discussions but very little substantive progress on actually developing the industrial base needed to build and support nuclear-powered submarines.”

The US is slated to sell Australia three second-hand Virginia-class submarines under the AUKUS pact, while the UK and Australia are to separately develop the SSN-AUKUS, a replacement for the British navy’s retiring Astute-class nuclear-powered submarine.


The SSN-AUKUS, currently under design, is intended to enter service with the UK in the late 2030s and Australia in the early 2040s.

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Mathias said key organisations overseeing the British program are beset by a lack of leaders with any meaningful nuclear submarine experience or expertise, straining the UK’s ability to support Australia’s nuclear-powered submarine plans.

Even if SSN-AUKUS is delivered, Mathias warned that the boat is likely to be “much bigger and less agile” than previous classes of British nuclear-powered submarines, necessitating trade-offs in capability and operations.

He described as “shockingly low” the number of British nuclear-powered submarines available to counter the Russian threat in the North Atlantic or to escort carrier strike groups operating in the Indo-Pacific.

A lack of available boats means the UK’s ballistic missile submarines are now required to conduct patrols lasting more than 200 days, up from about 70 days during the Cold War, he said.

A spokesperson for the Australian Submarine Agency, which is in charge of delivering AUKUS, said: “The government has always been clear that this is an ambitious program, and we acknowledged the challenges involved when the optimal pathway was announced in 2023.

“Working closely with our partners, we are meeting key milestones and AUKUS remains full steam ahead.   Sad

“We remain confident in the ability of all three nations to work collectively to deliver this program. Each AUKUS partner is investing significantly in their industrial bases to meet AUKUS commitments on time.”


Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles (left) and UK Secretary of State for Defence John Healey enjoy a beer in Geelong after signing the Geelong Treaty for co-operation on SSN-AUKUS last July.

Mathias made headlines in December when he told the UK Daily Telegraph that Britain is “no longer capable of managing a nuclear submarine program” and that “performance across all aspects of the program continues to get worse in every dimension”.   Sad

“This is an unprecedented situation in the nuclear submarine age,” he said.
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Reply #1 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 2:54pm
 

Hear hear sir Crook,

I hope Brian reads that?    Undecided
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Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:24pm:
*YAWN* 



Dear Brian,
many blessings.

Can you rebut the arguments -
challenge, counter, or disprove it by offering reasons,
evidence, or an alternative perspective, showing its flaws,
unsupported claims, or unacceptable consequences, rather than just stating it's wrong
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Reply #4 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:24pm:
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Dear Brian,
many blessings.

Can you rebut the arguments -
challenge, counter, or disprove it by offering reasons,
evidence, or an alternative perspective, showing its flaws,
unsupported claims, or unacceptable consequences, rather than just stating it's wrong
or being bored with an emoticon?


Yes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:24pm:
*YAWN* 


Dear Brian,
many blessings.

Can you rebut the arguments -
challenge, counter, or disprove it by offering reasons,
evidence, or an alternative perspective, showing its flaws,
unsupported claims, or unacceptable consequences, rather than just stating it's wrong
or being bored with an emoticon?


Yes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Dear Brian,
you have a Doctor of Divinity and extensive experience in defence -

we expect more from you than emoticons.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 5:27pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 4:24pm:
*YAWN* 


Dear Brian,
many blessings.

Can you rebut the arguments -
challenge, counter, or disprove it by offering reasons,
evidence, or an alternative perspective, showing its flaws,
unsupported claims, or unacceptable consequences, rather than just stating it's wrong
or being bored with an emoticon?


Yes. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Dear Brian,
you have a Doctor of Divinity and extensive experience in defence -

we expect more from you than emoticons.    Roll Eyes


Tough.  I have explained and explained, Bobby and you refuse to think about what is said to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 5:42pm
 
With the money being spent to buy these new subs, which is out of this world.  You would like to think that there is no probability of failure.   Sad
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whiteknight wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 5:42pm:
With the money being spent to buy these new subs, which is out of this world.
You would like to think that there is no probability of failure.   Sad



Hi sir Crook,
it's basically a protection racket -

that's a nice country you have in Australia -
it would be a pity if the Chinese invaded you.

Just buy these subs at over 4 times the actual price -
and we'll look after you.
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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:02pm
 
Hi Bobby one still has to ask the question.  Even though its been asked before.  Where's the money coming from?.   Sad
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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:07pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:02pm:
Hi Bobby one still has to ask the question. 
Even though its been asked before.  Where's the money coming from?.   Sad


The RBA will print the money.
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:18pm
 
Could not the money be better spent?.  For instance more money for hospitals, or fix the roads.  Or for that matter more to help the poor people?.   Sad
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:21pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:18pm:
Could not the money be better spent?. 
For instance more money for hospitals, or fix the roads. 
Or for that matter more to help the poor people?.   Sad


yes - sure -

also printing money causes inflation so that means prices will go up for the poor.
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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:21pm
 
My opinion regarding the British input into AUKUS is that we should use their doctrine, but not their equipment. In the event the UK side of the project is delayed or (very unlikely) falls through completely, the US -Australia side of things will keep going.
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Reply #14 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:26pm
 
Well Bobby it probably means prices will go up for everyone, not just the poor.  Maybe it also means some things could be cut.   Sad
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whiteknight wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:02pm:
Hi Bobby one still has to ask the question.  Even though its been asked before.  Where's the money coming from?.   Sad


Where all the Government's money comes from - Taxation.  This has been explained several times to you.  Why, do you refuse to understand it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.
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Reply #16 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:50pm
 
Yes I understand that.  Get ready for an increase in GST.    Sad
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Reply #17 - Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:56pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:47pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 12th, 2026 at 6:02pm:
Hi Bobby one still has to ask the question.  Even though its been asked before.  Where's the money coming from?.   Sad


Where all the Government's money comes from - Taxation.  This has been explained several times to you.  Why, do you refuse to understand it?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.



Printing money is a form of taxation -
it destroys savings in the bank.

When you make money from interest in the bank it is taxed as income
but you are not allowed to offset it with inflation.

We are already over $1 trillion in Federal Govt. debt -
there is no way that ordinary taxes will pay for the subs.
The RBA will print the money.
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Reply #18 - Jan 13th, 2026 at 11:13am
 
Wow!! The good old steam submarines again,
one of my favourite boats, funny thing is that most people think that they are nuclear powered but cannot explain how the nuclear power works.
Talk about brainwashing.
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Reply #19 - Jan 13th, 2026 at 11:53am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 13th, 2026 at 11:13am:
Wow!! The good old steam submarines again,
one of my favourite boats, funny thing is that most people think that they are nuclear powered but cannot explain how the nuclear power works.
Talk about brainwashing.


The same way as a coal fired submarine would work. Grin

The same way a steam locomotive works or any other steam driven device.

The same way a coal or nuclear power station works.
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Reply #20 - Jan 14th, 2026 at 8:03am
 
Seems like Paul Keating has got the right idea.  What a shame they will not listen to him on this.   Sad
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Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 13th, 2026 at 11:13am:
Wow!! The good old steam submarines again,
one of my favourite boats, funny thing is that most people think that they are nuclear powered but cannot explain how the nuclear power works.
Talk about brainwashing.


You and I have argued the semantics of this before, however I don't think a lot of the people here are able to understand the argument. All the see is nuclear - bad!
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Reply #22 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 10:20am
 
Belgarion wrote on Jan 14th, 2026 at 11:03am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 13th, 2026 at 11:13am:
Wow!! The good old steam submarines again,
one of my favourite boats, funny thing is that most people think that they are nuclear powered but cannot explain how the nuclear power works.
Talk about brainwashing.


You and I have argued the semantics of this before, however I don't think a lot of the people here are able to understand the argument. All the see is nuclear - bad!

It’s not semantics it’s physics fact.
I think that it is a brilliant way to raise steam but that’s all it is. Nuclear power undoubtedly exists but it cannot power a submarine or any other ship, without steam in the equation the ship cannot move independently.
Therefore they are steam submarines.
Ships are classified by their means of propulsion not by their fuel; the RMS “Queen Mary” was called a steam ship not an oil ship and the pioneer SS “Great Western’’ was called a steamship not a coal ship.

To save money we could have bought some off Russia, which has a lot of them in mothballs.
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Reply #23 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 10:28am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 10:20am:
Belgarion wrote on Jan 14th, 2026 at 11:03am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 13th, 2026 at 11:13am:
Wow!! The good old steam submarines again,
one of my favourite boats, funny thing is that most people think that they are nuclear powered but cannot explain how the nuclear power works.
Talk about brainwashing.


You and I have argued the semantics of this before, however I don't think a lot of the people here are able to understand the argument. All the see is nuclear - bad!

It’s not semantics it’s physics fact.
I think that it is a brilliant way to raise steam but that’s all it is. Nuclear power undoubtedly exists but it cannot power a submarine or any other ship, without steam in the equation the ship cannot move independently.
Therefore they are steam submarines.
Ships are classified by their means of propulsion not by their fuel; the RMS “Queen Mary” was called a steam ship not an oil ship and the pioneer SS “Great Western’’ was called a steamship not a coal ship.

To save money we could have bought some off Russia, which has a lot of them in mothballs.


Yet we refer to coal fired power stations....In general usage nuclear powered means a vessel that uses a nuclear reactor to heat the water to make the steam for propulsion. This is the definition used by the navies that operate these vessels and thus it is the correct one.   
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Reply #24 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 6:38pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 10:28am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 10:20am:
Belgarion wrote on Jan 14th, 2026 at 11:03am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jan 13th, 2026 at 11:13am:
Wow!! The good old steam submarines again,
one of my favourite boats, funny thing is that most people think that they are nuclear powered but cannot explain how the nuclear power works.
Talk about brainwashing.


You and I have argued the semantics of this before, however I don't think a lot of the people here are able to understand the argument. All the see is nuclear - bad!

It’s not semantics it’s physics fact.
I think that it is a brilliant way to raise steam but that’s all it is. Nuclear power undoubtedly exists but it cannot power a submarine or any other ship, without steam in the equation the ship cannot move independently.
Therefore they are steam submarines.
Ships are classified by their means of propulsion not by their fuel; the RMS “Queen Mary” was called a steam ship not an oil ship and the pioneer SS “Great Western’’ was called a steamship not a coal ship.

To save money we could have bought some off Russia, which has a lot of them in mothballs.


Yet we refer to coal fired power stations....In general usage nuclear powered means a vessel that uses a nuclear reactor to heat the water to make the steam for propulsion. This is the definition used by the navies that operate these vessels and thus it is the correct one.   

I beg to differ, it is a political definition, the whole world can be wrong, witness the herd instinct which saw the 3rd Millennium supposedly start on the first day of the last year of the old one.

Coal fired power stations is also a political description, once they were just power stations.
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