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Reply #90 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 4:12pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:52pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:46pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 2:56pm:
Do some illegal aliens commit crimes while illegally in the country, including murder, rape, child sex trafficking?

Yes.

Do sanctuary city police hand over such criminals to ICE, so they can be deported?
No.

Why not?

Er.... 'sanctuary city'.




And why do 'sanctuary cities'  exist in the US?




Cultural death wish.


You mean - people in 'sanctuary cities' who want to offer support to those fleeing war and poverty represent a cultural death wish?

Not so, as attested in your following exposition re Freud (a good example of why Conservatives perceive things upside down...):

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Freud believed people are driven by two main forces: life instincts (Eros) and death instincts (Thanatos).
Life instincts help people survive and promote positive behaviors, like love and cooperation.


Exactly - hence 'sanctuary cities'; you are falling for the 'illegal' immigrants are criminals Trump narrative.

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Death instincts can lead to aggression or self-destructive behaviors, like risky actions or revisiting trauma.
https://www.verywellmind.com/life-and-death-instincts-2795847


Aggression - caused by surrendering to Neanderthal instincts...which is why the US is split between self-defence, gun-toting, survival of the fittest,  "freedom" freaks; and those who celebrate life in a 'general welfare'  scenario.
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Re: What is international law?
Reply #91 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 5:08pm
 
chimera wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:53pm:
I'm 'fixated on freedom' because 'I resisted consideration of effective international law'?


Yes: you have to subsume "freedom" to obey rule of law for all to prosper (since one individual's idea of freedom might clash with another individual's idea of freedom - as brilliantly expounded by Hobbes).


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So not mentioning Hobbes proves I follow him?


No, see above.

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And not mentioning effective law also proves I'm fixated on freedom? 


Yes;  again, see above. 

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I don't mention whisky (or milk) which proves I'm alcoholic.


No it doesn't, it proves you used a faulty analogy.

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You add tgd statement to the UN ...


Not my statement, the sections in quotes are UN statements.

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2758 to prove it says Taiwan is part of PRC.


UN res 2758 says Taiwan IS part of China; and even the ROC on Taiwan claimed Taiwan is part of China,  long after the UN adopted res 2758.

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So how does PRC have morality and justice more than Philippines or Taiwan?


Because it's a Marxist state -  by definition, seeking prosperity for all, as opposed to prosperity for those who can afford to own property - the "right" to ownership of property being a 'bourgeoisie' delusion, as correctly identified by Marx.

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(You will need to change the English meaning of those two words for your answer).


No I won't, and I didn't; the idea of universal prosperity is basrd in morality, justice and fairness.

(Note: do not associate 'moral' Marxism as described above - engendering 'common prosperity',  with  Stalinist Russia). 

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'China has a large number of billionaires, with estimates varying by report and date, but recent figures (late 2024/early 2025) place it second to the U.S., with counts ranging from around 473 (Forbes 2024) to over 800'.


That's the result of Deng's axiom "to get rich is glorious", during the  'opening up' phase of China's economy,  which resulted in the 'Chinese miracle' - lifting more people out of absolute poverty at the fastest rate in history. 

But now the CPC under Xi has reaffirmed 'common prosperity' as the goal, having experienced the problems associated with Western style 'housing as investment schemes', in real-estate free markets.



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Re: What is international law?
Reply #92 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 5:35pm
 
Please post one sensible reply.
1) where do I say I want individual rights?
2) what words in UN 2758 say 'Taiwan is part of PRC'?
3) As Chinese billionaires exist in its capitalist market, how is PRC  more moral and just than other countries?
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Reply #93 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 5:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 4:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:52pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:46pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 2:56pm:
Do some illegal aliens commit crimes while illegally in the country, including murder, rape, child sex trafficking?

Yes.

Do sanctuary city police hand over such criminals to ICE, so they can be deported?
No.

Why not?

Er.... 'sanctuary city'.




And why do 'sanctuary cities'  exist in the US?




Cultural death wish.


You mean - people in 'sanctuary cities' who want to offer support to those fleeing war and poverty represent a cultural death wish?

.

Is that what all those illegal Chinese in the US  are doing?? And the Indians, Pakistanis, Albanians, South Americans, Africans, Haitians, Vietnamese. Nigerians, Arabs?

Who knew?

And the thousands on boats from France to England? Fleeing war and poverty in France?? Of course not. It is all a massive con, this 'asylum' racket. How many leave/are deported whose asylum claim is rejected? From Europe, almost none. From America - look at the squeeling and screeching if immigration law is enforced and fakes are depored.


Poverty is no reason for being a 'refugee', anyway. Enlarging the grounds for asylum like that is dishonest but very wide spread. A lot, if not most of those people are leaving  the shitdholes they hemselves made of their countries and instead of assimilating to the civilised Western countries that take them in, they recreate the shiteholes in Western ghettoes they form.
You can see it in Australian cities, as well as in Europs and North America.


Countries are made in the image of their people. Somalia, Pakistan, Syria, are shiteholes because of the people.

Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, Australia are lovely because of their people. And what makes a people? Their culture.



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Reply #94 - Jan 30th, 2026 at 10:49am
 
chimera wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 5:35pm:
Please post one sensible reply.


Given you are mentally incapacited by your blind, Neanderthal instincts,  you don't deserve a 'sensible' reply, especially in this thread re the possibility of effective international law "to save mankind from the scourge of war" (UN Charter preamble).

But I will continue to expose your delusions all the way:

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1) where do I say I want individual rights?


By implication; you have refused numerous times to  engage in a good faith critique of Hobbes et al. who have laid the ground work for establishment of effective international law, via their revelations re the indivdual rights theory. 

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2) what words in UN 2758 say 'Taiwan is part of PRC'?


... "the CCP is the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" - thereby  expelling from the UN  "the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek" (based in Taiwan - a part of China -  after their defeat in 1949).

Apropos: latest news from the SCMP (an anti-CCP media outfit based in HK):

Communist Party and KMT revive forum stalled by a decade of cross-strait tensions

Dialogue channel could pave the way for a meeting between President Xi Jinping and Taiwanese opposition party leader Cheng Li-wun.

The Communist Party and the Kuomintang (KMT), Taiwan’s main opposition party, will revive a long-stalled dialogue channel next week to navigate cross-strait tensions and discuss plans to promote industrial cooperation.


The minority DPP-independence"freedom" freaks will be having heart attacks....

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3) As Chinese billionaires exist in its capitalist market, how is PRC  more moral and just than other countries?


Xi's recent re-affirmation** of the moral and just concept of 'common prosperity' makes the PRC more founded in morality than delusional "freedom"-based  'individual rights'/adversarial multi-party 'democracies'.

** after a housing crisis typically caused by capitalists seeing 'housing as an a private investment vehicle' - rather than a necessity for people to live in.


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Reply #95 - Jan 30th, 2026 at 10:55am
 
We are pleased to give the score for your report.
1) fail
2) fail
3) fail.
Total: 0 %.
You have improved to some extent and more application of normal common sense will assist you in future.
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Reply #96 - Jan 30th, 2026 at 11:42am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 5:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 4:12pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:52pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:46pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 2:56pm:
Do some illegal aliens commit crimes while illegally in the country, including murder, rape, child sex trafficking?

Yes.

Do sanctuary city police hand over such criminals to ICE, so they can be deported?
No.

Why not?

Er.... 'sanctuary city'.



And why do 'sanctuary cities'  exist in the US?


Cultural death wish.


You mean - people in 'sanctuary cities' who want to offer support to those fleeing war and poverty represent a cultural death wish?


Is that what all those illegal Chinese in the US  are doing?? And the Indians, Pakistanis, Albanians, South Americans, Africans, Haitians, Vietnamese. Nigerians, Arabs?


Yes, except that China is eradicating poverty at the fastest rate in history, under  one of the most stable governments in the world.

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Who knew?


You certainly don't.

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And the thousands on boats from France to England? Fleeing war and poverty in France?? Of course not.


Correct (...even a clock is corre..oh never mind)

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It is all a massive con, this 'asylum' racket.


Well, yes: the UN - via the IMF and WB - should be ensuring prosperous development in all countries. Keynes presented such a proposal at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1943, but  the US, soon to displace the UK re possessing the world's reserve currency, rejected Keynes' idea.

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How many leave/are deported whose asylum claim is rejected?


Naturally asylum seekers - many of them decent people  - try to resist deportation.

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From Europe, almost none. From America - look at the squeeling and screeching if immigration law is enforced and fakes are depored.


Proving 'woke' Europe has a heart in a disastrous dog eat dog 'America First'  world. Though the AfD and other European populists are reverting to 'survival of the fittest'  (....not withstanding chimera's own 'interpretation' of that phrase).

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Poverty is no reason for being a 'refugee', anyway.


Breath-takingly ignorant statement.  Unemployment and poverty, and the resulting crime,  endemic in the 3rd world, is motivation enough to flee....

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Enlarging the grounds for asylum like that is dishonest but very wide spread.


Yes, it's based on acceptance of the current disastrous global financial and trade arangements, which Conservatives don't care about because they are prospering quite well regardless, while more humanitarian-minded 'progressives' have been duped into thinking  TINA  ("there is no alternative").

Courtesy evil Neoclassical 'scarcity' dogma. 

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A lot, if not most of those people are leaving  the shitdholes they hemselves made of their countries


Your error, macro-economics and poor government, not individuals, cause  countries as 'shitdholes', as noted above. 

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and instead of assimilating to the civilised Western countries that take them in, they recreate the shiteholes in Western ghettoes they form.
You can see it in Australian cities, as well as in Europs and North America.


Er - Musk said he wants immigrants because "Americans are lazy and stupid"...

And Silicon Valley is crowded with wealthy Asians, while white "trailer trash" live in trailers and tents in LA and SF. 

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Countries are made in the image of their people. Somalia, Pakistan, Syria, are shiteholes because of the people.


Refuted above, repeating your errors won't make them correct. 

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Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, Australia are lovely because of their people. And what makes a people? Their culture.


People and nations are made "lovely" by a sharing prosperous culture.

That's why governments must look to 'the general welfare', in a world where post WW2 migration cannot be reversed. 


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Reply #97 - Jan 30th, 2026 at 11:58am
 
chimera wrote on Jan 30th, 2026 at 10:55am:
We are pleased to give the score for your report.
1) fail
2) fail
3) fail.
Total: 0 %.
You have improved to some extent and more application of normal common sense will assist you in future.


A blind ideologue driven by Neanderthal instincts - who refuses to critique Hobbes et al, is in no position to judge the score on anything.

Unlike the NZ PM (who CAN think) who today said he won't join Trump's BOP  because it is outside the UN Charter.

He recognises the BOP - with Russia on board (while Putin is claiming bits of Bonbas  he has failed to conquer after 4 years of disastrous warfare, before he accepts Trump's  peace plan)  -  should stick to its original purpose, ie establish peace in Palestine.   
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Reply #98 - Jan 30th, 2026 at 12:23pm
 
Now you are wandering. Senility treatment include cholinesterase inhibitors (Donepezil, Galantamine, Rivastigmine) for cognitive decline. If pain persists, see a doctor.
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