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Reply #75 - Jan 28th, 2026 at 4:31pm
 
chimera wrote on Jan 27th, 2026 at 5:44pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27th, 2026 at 3:58pm:
 

your delusional natural  'individual rights/freedom' nonsense,..
While you refuse to forgo your belief in non-existent 'individual natural rights',


And you don't change your nonsense.


Is this the  nonsense are you referring to:

  Hobbes argued that in the "state of nature," there are no moral rights, only a chaotic "war of all against all" where individuals have a right to everything, including others' bodies, making life "nasty, brutish, and short". He argued that rights must be surrendered to a sovereign (the state) to create order, making him an opponent of the idea of inalienable rights.

Hobbes is obviously correct; note his reference to (universal) 'moral rights' (eg as delineated in the UN UDHR) as opposed to delusional 'natural rights" of individuals.

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Where have I ever mentioned what you accuse me about?


You suffering from early stage dementia?  Anyway, moving right along....

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How is the national sovereignty of Philippines different from national sovereignty of PRC?


Ah - at last, questions showing how your "rights" and "sovereignty"  delusions cripple your capacity to think.

Answer: there is no difference, of course.

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How can it be 'individual rights'?


So you don't understand how the delusional  concept  of 'individual rights' - which self-interested individuals (who by nature compete with one-another) believe they possess in nature -  are replicated in the delusional "sovereign rights" of  individual  nations which, in the absence of an international rules-based system, aka interntional law, resort to might is right.

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You are completely scrambled.


Oh dear - it's 'mirror time'....

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Reply #76 - Jan 28th, 2026 at 4:45pm
 
My name is chimera, not Hobbes. He doesn't post here anymore.
You can't answer where I  said what you accuse me of?
You can't answer why China's sovereignty is different from Philippines sovereignty?
You may need another propaganda booklet to copy from.
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Reply #77 - Jan 28th, 2026 at 9:04pm
 
chimera wrote on Jan 28th, 2026 at 4:45pm:
My name is chimera, not Hobbes. He doesn't post here anymore.


And you lack the mental competence to even begin to critique his revelations regarding  the reality of the human condition. 

Admittedly it's tricky: delusions by definition are fixed false beliefs not amenable to reason, therefore Hobbes' revelations are excluded/beyond your capacity to think.

However I persist in the expectation that others might be open to Hobbes' (et al) revelations.

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You can't answer where I  said what you accuse me of?


You've obviously forgotten the pages in which I regularly admonished you to take yourself to the Donbas frontline's mincing machine, a situation deserved by those ruled by their Neanderthal indstincts, and weak-minded enough to follow socalled 'patriotism' (on both sides)  to an untimely death. 

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You can't answer why China's sovereignty is different from Philippines sovereignty?


Did you miss my answer?

It isn't different; both place themselves above UN sovereignty in internaional affairs.

That's the problem the world is facing, ie lack of a rules-based system aka international law, in a globalized economy. 

And I already explained why China wants to to turn some rocks in the SCS into military bases, ie to defend the UN-recognised One China principle, against delusional US "freedom" freaks.

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You may need another propaganda booklet to copy from.


How is the answer I've given - twice now - propaganda?

It's a reasoned response based on Hobbes' (et al) revelations about the human condition, and the need for a system of universal rights based on morality justice and fairness, as delineated in the UN UDHR.

I can hear your non-evolved reptilian brain screaming from here...oh dear
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Reply #78 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 7:03am
 
You say I'm fixated on freedom and your proof is that Hobbes wrote about it. Then you complain I won't discuss Hobbes.

Then you say that I wrote about freedom as you told me to go the mincing machine.

Where has the UN declared Taiwan to be part of PRC?
Why is international law for Philippines and Taiwan a false demand for individual rights but law for PRC is not individual but morality and fairness?
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Reply #79 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:20pm
 
THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

You put them in cuffs and put them on a plane🫡

Thank you for the demonstration @D_Tarczynski


https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/2016588253365744096



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Reply #80 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:20pm:
THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

You put them in cuffs and put them on a plane🫡

Thank you for the demonstration @D_Tarczynski


https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/2016588253365744096






Lies.

Nazi propaganda.

Research consistently shows that undocumented immigrants are not responsible for higher murder rates; in fact, studies indicate they have significantly lower homicide and general crime rates compared to U.S.-born citizens.
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Reply #81 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 2:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:43pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:20pm:
THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

You put them in cuffs and put them on a plane🫡

Thank you for the demonstration @D_Tarczynski


https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/2016588253365744096






Lies.

Nazi propaganda.

Research consistently shows that undocumented immigrants are not responsible for higher murder rates; in fact, studies indicate they have significantly lower homicide and general crime rates compared to U.S.-born citizens.

Relevance??

Where does it say that immigration law applies only if you have committed additional crimes while illegally in the country??
Nowhere.


Do some illegal aliens commit crimes while illegally in the country, including murder, rape, child sex trafficking?

Yes.

Do sanctuary city police hand over such criminals to ICE, so they can be deported?
No.

Why not?

Er.... 'sanctuary city'.

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Reply #82 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:13pm
 

FYI, Forrest:

Research consistently shows that undocumented immigrants are not responsible for higher murder rates; in fact, studies indicate they have significantly lower homicide and general crime rates compared to U.S.-born citizens.
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Reply #83 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:39pm
 
chimera wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 7:03am:
You say I'm fixated on freedom and your proof is that Hobbes wrote about it. Then you complain I won't discuss Hobbes.

Then you say that I wrote about freedom as you told me to go the mincing machine.


And you resisted every inch of the way a consideration of effective international law, to outlaw war as a means of dispute settlement between nations in the age of MAD.

That's why I now condemn Putin for haggling over  Trumps' peace plan - while Putin is mindlessly sending a thousand of his OWN people to the slaughter on the front-line every month, while Rutte wants to 'defend' Ukraine by supporting Ukraine to mindlessly fight to the last Ukrainian...while Rutte insists the EU needs US weapons.

ie,  in the absence of a rules-based system to prevent or end ongoing war, Trump is the next best thing (since he is CiC of the Pentagon, still the greatest military force in the world).

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Where has the UN declared Taiwan to be part of PRC?


UN res 2758:

The resolution, passed on 25 October 1971, recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed "the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek" (referring to the then Kuomintang regime as the dominant party in the Republic of China, whose central government had retreated to Taiwan from the mainland) from the United Nations.[1]

Note: until recently the ROC based in Taiwan claimed to be the 'sole government of China'; but now, after accepting reality, the Taiwanese themselves are split over whether to claim independence  from China.

Obviously the US-backed "freedom" freaks in Taiwan are the most vociferous in seeking separate nationhood from the mainland.   

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Why is international law for Philippines and Taiwan a false demand for individual rights but law for PRC is not individual but morality and fairness?


Awkwardly worded  (caused by your delusional "natural individual rights" and "(individual) national sovereignty" narratives); effective  international law requires ALL nations to surrender that portion of their national sovereignty relating to international relations, to the UN  - which is why effective international law doesn't exist yet.

As for  "....law for PRC is not individual but morality and fairness" (your vague construction); China is in the same postion as all other nations regarding national sovereignty vis a vis international law - which still only exists on paper; but a 'Marxist' state (seeking Marxist 'common prosperity'...."it's the economy. stupid") is more attuned to the reality of the foundation of "rights" ie rights are not 'natural', but founded in law exorting  'moraliy, justice and fairness'.

I'm only intesrted in China in that it offers an alternative to the West's soaring inequality amidst poverty....."freedom",  you see....

And I expect results in the next decade,  otherwise I will condemn the PRC as just another dysfunctional government.

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Reply #84 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:20pm:
THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

You put them in cuffs and put them on a plane🫡

Thank you for the demonstration @D_Tarczynski


https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/2016588253365744096



Why is the world facing mass illegal migration?

Oh - I forgot - you don't do causation...
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Reply #85 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:43pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:42pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:20pm:
THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

You put them in cuffs and put them on a plane🫡

Thank you for the demonstration @D_Tarczynski


https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/2016588253365744096



Why is the world facing mass illegal migration?

Oh - I forgot - you don't do causation...

Cheap air travel and people smuggling.

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Reply #86 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:46pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 2:56pm:
Do some illegal aliens commit crimes while illegally in the country, including murder, rape, child sex trafficking?

Yes.

Do sanctuary city police hand over such criminals to ICE, so they can be deported?
No.

Why not?

Er.... 'sanctuary city'.




And why do 'sanctuary cities'  exist in the US?


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Reply #87 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:52pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:46pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 2:56pm:
Do some illegal aliens commit crimes while illegally in the country, including murder, rape, child sex trafficking?

Yes.

Do sanctuary city police hand over such criminals to ICE, so they can be deported?
No.

Why not?

Er.... 'sanctuary city'.




And why do 'sanctuary cities'  exist in the US?





Cultural death wish.


Freud believed people are driven by two main forces: life instincts (Eros) and death instincts (Thanatos).
Life instincts help people survive and promote positive behaviors, like love and cooperation.
Death instincts can lead to aggression or self-destructive behaviors, like risky actions or revisiting trauma.
https://www.verywellmind.com/life-and-death-instincts-2795847
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Reply #88 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:53pm
 
I'm 'fixated on freedom' because 'I resisted consideration of effective international law'?  So not mentioning Hobbes proves I follow him?  And not mentioning effective law also proves I'm fixated on freedom?  I don't mention whisky (or milk) which proves I'm alcoholic.

You add tgd statement to the UN 2758 to prove it says Taiwan is part of PRC. So how does PRC have morality and justice more than Philippines or Taiwan? (You will need to change the English meaning of those two words for your answer).

'China has a large number of billionaires, with estimates varying by report and date, but recent figures (late 2024/early 2025) place it second to the U.S., with counts ranging from around 473 (Forbes 2024) to over 800'.
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Reply #89 - Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:55pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 3:42pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 29th, 2026 at 1:20pm:
THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

You put them in cuffs and put them on a plane🫡

Thank you for the demonstration @D_Tarczynski


https://x.com/BasilTheGreat/status/2016588253365744096



Why is the world facing mass illegal migration?

Oh - I forgot - you don't do causation...

Cheap air travel and people smuggling.


OK -  hence Pauline's ON is on a roll.

But how do you deal with cheap air travel and people smuggling, given the pressures on numerous people fleeing war-torn states benighted by poverty and crime?

I presume you want a cheap airline ticket for your next overseas holiday, and  people smugglers are like bootleggers during prohibition.   
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