thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2026 at 12:18pm:


How many is that, little pink?

And how many total?

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2026 at 11:58am:


Now you have got that off your chest, let's read on - while waiting for bobby to say something intelligent.

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Your error: I said Trump is cruelly rounding up people who are long-time residents of the US, who many local people are attempting to protect.

I didn't address the reason for the warrants - namely,  the egregious effects of economic dysfunction of mainstream neoclassical economics within and between nations.

The US could easily retain all those "illegal" residents, in a well- functioning US economy; and further, the motivation behind illegal immigration itself would disappear in a well functioning global economy.

Please use your brain to examine the CAUSES, not the consequences, of social and economic dysfunction.

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My purpose is to relieve you of your delusions re 'individual freedom'; and consider the tension between self interest and the general welfare.

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Neat.....you answered your own question.....totally unaware of the tension between 'freedom' of self-interested individuals,  and achievement of 'the general welfare' which is the necessary role of good government.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2026 at 1:02pm:


So the same number of people died in China during the initial outbreak in China as in New York, as well as the same number that died in the US? As well as the same number elsewhere?

How many is that, little pink?

Are you trying to say that the US had the same death rate as China, even before covid actually reached the US?

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And how many of those 2 million Chinese people died between the initial outbreak, and when the CCP stopped jailing journalists for warning people about the disease?

And why are you being so evasive on this?

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I am not the one claiming to know how many Chinese people died of Covid. I think the CCP put more effort into covering up the initial outbreak, then covering up their mismanagement of the initial outbreak, than trying to prevent it or figure out how many people died.

My point is, this is not good management. Once more, people died because of the CCP's incompetence and self interest. All that the CCP has learned from the 100 million or so people it has killed is that it does not need good governance, merely good propaganda. You yourself are a good demonstration of how well that propaganda is working. You swallow it without question. It never even occurred to you that the CCP would by lying to you about the number of deaths, and lying to themselves about the number of deaths, and as a result of their lies and cover-ups have no way of even knowing how many people died. They followed the exact same pattern as with the great Chinese famine. The CCP's lies and propaganda are still killing the Chinese people. And the CCP is still lying to itself and to the Chinese people about how well it is doing. Even your constant efforts to compare it with the US death toll has eerie parallels to the propaganda from the Great Chinese Famine. Even while tens of millions of Chinese people were starving to death, the CCP still managed to convince them to feel sorry for the poor hungry Americans. You are falling for pretty much the exact same propaganda and lies the CCP has been spinning for decades.

Your BS about the vaccine is completely wrong. Putting the lockdown in place before the Chinese people travelled home for lunar new year, rather than after, or even earlier, would have probably saved millions of lives. You are the one harping on about the CCP's crackdown after the horse had bolted and how wonderful it was that they welded people into their apartment buildings to stop the virus spread. Now you do a complete backflip and say that is not the important response, waiting for the vaccine is.

The important thing to remember is that the Chinese Communist Party does not believe in god governance. It believes in good propaganda, and will tolerate incompetence and lies, even if the consequence is millions of dead people. The important thing to remember is that the CCP does not believe in peace, it believes in killing as many people as it can to invade Taiwan, and will change the very definition of the word peace to make that happen. And you will eagerly swallow their load.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12^th, 2026 at 12:18pm:


They are different statistics little pink. Hence the different words used to describe them.

Were you trying to contradict me little pink, or just trying to find a less unflattering statistic? Because you seemed to be implying I was wrong when I said the median chinese wage is less than half of our unemployment benefits. Let me know if you need me to explain what that means.

Was it you who insisted the CCP was promoting common prosperity by deliberately keeping wages low to force the Chinese people to work harder?

If 10% of the population is earning $9,990,000 per year, and the rest are earning $1000, the median salary is $1000, and the average is $1,000,000. Your little switch from the median to the average merely covers up the fact that most Chinese workers earn less than half of what our unemployment benefits are by pretending that China's mega-rich (and there are plenty of them) are sharing their income with China's workers.