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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #270 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:57pm

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

They don't identify as police, and they have no powers of police, you know that.

I know, and I said, that they are police, they are allowed to identify themselves as police, they are federal law enforcement officers, and they have the powers to stop, detain, arrest etc. Furthermore, they clearly and legally identified themselves as police before the woman tried to evade arrest and run them over.

We know what you said, but everything you said is incorrect.

They are Border Patrol Agents, not Police Officers.

Greg can you demonstrate for us that they are not allowed to identify themselves as police? Quickly, before you get hysterical again and call it a summary execution.

He's right, Greggery. You'd better calm down and repost our links for Freediver to read again.

We wouldn't want you to get all hysterical, have a meltdown and go into autobot. It wouldn't be right, dear.

Do you have any socks you can slip into?

Greg has not posted any links that support his claim that ICE agents are not allowed to identify themselves as police.

Aha. So you've gone from they ARE police officers to they are ALLOWED to identify as police to, oo-er, can you prove that they're not?

And all to excuse a murder in broad daylight, captured on video, merely because it was carried out by agents of your own DL.

Cunning. Well, I'm curious. Given you now support the powers of border agents to kill illegally-parked citizens, how do you square such wide-ranging state powers with your support for liberal democracy?

Have you had a recent change of heart, or were you just having a bit of fun with us all along?

That's our third and final question.

We may have a supplementary.

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #271 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 5:03pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:39pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 3:40pm:

They aren't police officers and they don't identify themselves as police officers.

They don't walk up to people before they shoot them in the face and say "I am a police officer".

They just wear shirts/jackets that have 'Police' printed on them.

It's members of the public who mistakenly identify them as police officers (which is the whole idea) because of their clothing.

You are talking rot agajng skunk pig (peccary = skunk pig)

police, body of officers representing the civil authority of government. Police typically are responsible for maintaining public order and safety, enforcing the law, and preventing, detecting, and investigating criminal activities. These functions are known as policing. Police are often also entrusted with various licensing and regulatory activities.

There is now a consensus among researchers, based on a definition first proposed by American sociologist Egon Bittner, that the common feature among all the different agencies engaged in policing is the legal competence to enforce coercive, nonnegotiable measures to resolve problematic situations. Such situations are characterized by two features: their potential for harm and the need to solve them urgently before they develop that potential. Hence, the actual use of coercion or the threat of using it allows police to put a quick, nonnegotiated, and conclusive end to problematic situations (e.g., keeping people away from the scene of a fire for their own protection and to allow firemen to do their job).

Britannica

Now they're resorting to the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

I say, old chap, does the Cyc Brit specify the powers of border control agents to force street closures in the suburbs of Minnesota?

Does it cite their authority to issue move-on orders, undertake traffic control, dispense penalties for parking infringements, use reasonable force in the carriage of their duties and terminate illegally parked vehicle owners?

Can you quote the correct Minneapolis ordinance?

Cheers.

So now ICE officers wearing uniforms that say in large white letters, 'POLICE', back and front, is illegal, contrary to the constitution, the laws, to human decency, misleading, confusing, not in the ordinance (thats a big one), illegal and unconstinutional (have I said that already?) and straight-up fascism on the streets while Trump is prez.

While Biden was prez, it was ok. Nobody called them Gestapo then because that woulda made the moth-eaten sock puppet the JoeHitler. Nor while the Kenyan puppet master was in the WH coz that would have made him the 'first black Hitler'.

All your idiotic, lying carry-on was in abeyance in those years. Now you are all back on.
The uniforms haven't changed, what they do hasnt changed.

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #272 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 5:18pm

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 5:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:39pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 3:40pm:

They aren't police officers and they don't identify themselves as police officers.

They don't walk up to people before they shoot them in the face and say "I am a police officer".

They just wear shirts/jackets that have 'Police' printed on them.

It's members of the public who mistakenly identify them as police officers (which is the whole idea) because of their clothing.

You are talking rot agajng skunk pig (peccary = skunk pig)

police, body of officers representing the civil authority of government. Police typically are responsible for maintaining public order and safety, enforcing the law, and preventing, detecting, and investigating criminal activities. These functions are known as policing. Police are often also entrusted with various licensing and regulatory activities.

There is now a consensus among researchers, based on a definition first proposed by American sociologist Egon Bittner, that the common feature among all the different agencies engaged in policing is the legal competence to enforce coercive, nonnegotiable measures to resolve problematic situations. Such situations are characterized by two features: their potential for harm and the need to solve them urgently before they develop that potential. Hence, the actual use of coercion or the threat of using it allows police to put a quick, nonnegotiated, and conclusive end to problematic situations (e.g., keeping people away from the scene of a fire for their own protection and to allow firemen to do their job).

Britannica

Now they're resorting to the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

I say, old chap, does the Cyc Brit specify the powers of border control agents to force street closures in the suburbs of Minnesota?

Does it cite their authority to issue move-on orders, undertake traffic control, dispense penalties for parking infringements, use reasonable force in the carriage of their duties and terminate illegally parked vehicle owners?

Can you quote the correct Minneapolis ordinance?

Cheers.

So now ICE officers wearing uniforms that say in large white letters, 'POLICE', back and front, is illegal, contrary to the constitution, the laws, to human decency, misleading, conducing, not in thd ordinance, illedzl (have I said that already?) and straight-up fascism on the streets while Trump is prez.

While Biden was prez, it was ok. Nobody called them Gestapo then because that woulda made the moth-eaten sock puppet the JoeHitler. Nor while the Kenyan puppet master was in the WH coz that would have made him the 'first black Hitler'.

All your idiotic, lying carry on was in abeyance in those years. Now you are all back on.

You appear to have misread the question, dear boy.

We asked you if the Brit includes the correct Minneapolis City ordinance.

If you don't have time to look it up, that's okay, but just one more if you don't mind.

Do the Minneapolis ICE Police have a separate division for traffic control? In my LGA, the traffic authorities typically call for a tow truck. They then make you pay - a real pain.

Not as bad as having your head blown off, I guess.

Thank heavens for small mercies, eh?

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #273 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 5:32pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 4:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

They don't identify as police, and they have no powers of police, you know that.

I know, and I said, that they are police, they are allowed to identify themselves as police, they are federal law enforcement officers, and they have the powers to stop, detain, arrest etc. Furthermore, they clearly and legally identified themselves as police before the woman tried to evade arrest and run them over.

We know what you said, but everything you said is incorrect.

They are Border Patrol Agents, not Police Officers.

Greg can you demonstrate for us that they are not allowed to identify themselves as police? Quickly, before you get hysterical again and call it a summary execution.

He's right, Greggery. You'd better calm down and repost our links for Freediver to read again.

We wouldn't want you to get all hysterical, have a meltdown and go into autobot. It wouldn't be right, dear.

Do you have any socks you can slip into?

Greg has not posted any links that support his claim that ICE agents are not allowed to identify themselves as police.

Aha. So you've gone from they ARE police officers to they are ALLOWED to identify as police to, oo-er, can you prove that they're not?

They are police offices, AND they are allowed to identify as police officers, AND they were clearly identified as police when they shot the stupid woman (who deserves a Darwin award for her idiocy), AND they have the power to stop, detain, arrest, etc, AND Greg has failed to prove otherwise.

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #274 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 5:39pm

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 5:32pm: