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Reply #195 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:25pm:

Pecca,

Then - she almost ran over one of their agents.

No, she didn't - that's just the lie being used by Noem and Trump.

Watch the video and see for yourself - don't listen to the people who are trying to cover up the murder.

Here's one of those annoying little facts you keep avoiding Greg, on account of you being hysterical. The agent had to take evasive action to avoid being struck by the vehicle. You can see it in the video.

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Reply #196 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:21pm:

You don't bring a car to a gun fight.

If we're lucky, it will end there.

But you have masked, armed individuals, often in plain clothes and unmarked vehicles, abducting people without warrants and openly disregarding the constitutional rights of those they target.

If this continues to escalate, detaining five-year-olds to coerce parents out of their homes, raiding high schools, and targeting teenagers, it's going to be gun vs agent.

At that point, these "agents" are going to start getting themselves killed.

I hope it doesn't come to that, not out of concern for their safety, their conduct has forfeited any claim to decency they imagine they are owed, but because this outcome is precisely what Trump wants.

This is why these deployments are concentrated in blue states.

He needs escalation. He needs disorder. He needs a pretext to invoke broader emergency powers to shore up control ahead of the midterms.

That is what this has been about from the start.

So yes, I hope it does not escalate, not for the sake of the agents, consequences tend to follow behaviour, but for the sake of American democracy itself.

The self-styled Second Amendment absolutists should have put a stop to this long ago. Instead, because it's their team doing it, they're cheering it on.

Even when, possibly especially when, the ICE agents have Nazi tattoos.

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #197 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:47pm

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:26pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

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However - if I was the cop -
I would have shot out as many of her tyres as possible - not shot her in the head.

He did not get a single shot off until the car was on him. His gun would have been over the car bonnet as he fired. If he had messed up in any way - eg slipping on the ice and falling on his arse like the other cop in the left of the frame, he may have under up under the wheel, by which time a bullet hole on the wheel would not have helped.

Explain this to me then. We saw the bullet hole in the windscreen. In order to achieve this he had to be in one of 2 places,

https://i.imgur.com/GtIYWUm.png

So he was either in immediate danger, in which case it was very unlikely that his first shot would have hit the target without some freaky ricochet.

Or, as you say, he moved out of the way, was no longer in immediate danger, and then fired 3 shots from outside the path of the car.

If he missed the first shot, that means the 2 shots he took from the side of the car, leaning in through the driver's window, were completely uncalled for.

If he moved out of the way to take the first kill shot, then he was no longer in danger.

At a bare minimum, the subsequent 2 shots were excessive.

But your explanation is on shaky ground.

He was either justified in the first shot he missed, or if he hit her with it, he took the shot off to the side, no longer in the path of the car.

Or are you going with, if you move a car near law enforcement, they can light you up, full immunity?

The explanation is simple. You have created a false dichotomy. You invented two scenarios, neither of which accurately reflect what actually happened, and got yourself so confused you decided it can only be one of those two. I have no idea why you would even attempt to draw a straight line through a single point and get it right. Did you fail maths?

For starters, it is fairly clear from his efforts to avoid being struck by the vehicle that his gun was probably over the bonnet when he fired.

Gotcha, so bullets curve at point-blank range.

Good job.

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #198 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:49pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:26pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

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However - if I was the cop -
I would have shot out as many of her tyres as possible - not shot her in the head.

He did not get a single shot off until the car was on him. His gun would have been over the car bonnet as he fired. If he had messed up in any way - eg slipping on the ice and falling on his arse like the other cop in the left of the frame, he may have under up under the wheel, by which time a bullet hole on the wheel would not have helped.

Explain this to me then. We saw the bullet hole in the windscreen. In order to achieve this he had to be in one of 2 places,

https://i.imgur.com/GtIYWUm.png

So he was either in immediate danger, in which case it was very unlikely that his first shot would have hit the target without some freaky ricochet.

Or, as you say, he moved out of the way, was no longer in immediate danger, and then fired 3 shots from outside the path of the car.

If he missed the first shot, that means the 2 shots he took from the side of the car, leaning in through the driver's window, were completely uncalled for.

If he moved out of the way to take the first kill shot, then he was no longer in danger.

At a bare minimum, the subsequent 2 shots were excessive.

But your explanation is on shaky ground.

He was either justified in the first shot he missed, or if he hit her with it, he took the shot off to the side, no longer in the path of the car.

Or are you going with, if you move a car near law enforcement, they can light you up, full immunity?

The explanation is simple. You have created a false dichotomy. You invented two scenarios, neither of which accurately reflect what actually happened, and got yourself so confused you decided it can only be one of those two. I have no idea why you would even attempt to draw a straight line through a single point and get it right. Did you fail maths?

For starters, it is fairly clear from his efforts to avoid being struck by the vehicle that his gun was probably over the bonnet when he fired.

Gotcha, so bullets curve at point-blank range.

Good job.

You are definitely confused PK. Did you actually fail maths? Can you explain how you leapt to that idiotic conclusion?

You can figure this out for yourself. Stand directly in front of a car's front left headlight. Point your right forefinger at the passenger headrest like you are pointing a gun. This would be the drivers headrest in the US. Line up your eye with your forefinger and the headrest and note where the trajectory goes through the windscreen. It won't be far off what you see in the photo.

Now imagine that instead of standing still, you are on an icy road and trying to jump backwards and sideways at the same time to avoid being hit, and the car is accelerating. Try not to hurt yourself.

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Reply #200 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:03pm

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:58pm:

A question for all the whiners who think the police officer did the wrong thing. Would you try to drive away from police after being instructed to get out of the car, and force a police officer who is pointing his gun at you to get out of the way in order to avoid being run over by you?

The murderer is not a police officer.

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Reply #201 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:04pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 11:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 11:01am:

An ICE Agent has just been shown on video murdering an unarmed woman as she attempted to drive away from them, shooting her at just a couple of metres away. Not surprisingly, Noem has claimed the agent acted in self defence. That is utter BS. If you watch the video closely, the woman in the car has her wheels turned full lock to the right and starts to slowly turn away from the agent, for which she is then shot dead. I also saw reports that a doctor who saw it happen was denied access to render medical care and that when paramedics attended about 15 minutes later, they were blocked by ICE Agent vehicles, with agents instead carrying her lifeless body to the paramedics. This is utterly appalling and I hope the Agent who shot this woman is immediately placed on administrative leave while the investigation takes place. Given this is the Trump administration, I seriously doubt that will happen.

Do you need an investigation, you have already called it murder. There is no way you are going to accept anything other than a murder conviction is there. You have made you mind up.

And so has the Trump administration!

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #202 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:09pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:21pm:

You don't bring a car to a gun fight.

If we're lucky, it will end there.

But you have masked, armed individuals, often in plain clothes and unmarked vehicles, abducting people without warrants and openly disregarding the constitutional rights of those they target.

If this continues to escalate, detaining five-year-olds to coerce parents out of their homes, raiding high schools, and targeting teenagers, it's going to be gun vs agent.

At that point, these "agents" are going to start getting themselves killed.

I hope it doesn't come to that, not out of concern for their safety, their conduct has forfeited any claim to decency they imagine they are owed, but because this outcome is precisely what Trump wants.

This is why these deployments are concentrated in blue states.

He needs escalation. He needs disorder. He needs a pretext to invoke broader emergency powers to shore up control ahead of the midterms.

That is what this has been about from the start.

So yes, I hope it does not escalate, not for the sake of the agents, consequences tend to follow behaviour, but for the sake of American democracy itself.

The self-styled Second Amendment absolutists should have put a stop to this long ago. Instead, because it's their team doing it, they're cheering it on.

Even when, possibly especially when, the ICE agents have Nazi tattoos.

You're 100% correct - this is exactly what Trump wants.

Yesterday I said it was going to get a lot worse, and sure enough two more people have been shot today.

I hope it stops too, but I fear it won't.

The ICE Nazis will kill more people and the average American will eventually say enough is enough.

I hope I'm wrong, but I fear some ICE Nazis will be killed - that's when it's gonna get real.

Trump will be telling Noem to instruct her Brownshirts to double down on the aggression.

This is not going to end well for anyone.

Again, I really hope I'm wrong, but this is Trump's plan and I don't see any reason why Cosplay Barbie will ease up - her tongue is so far up his arse she can taste last night's Big Mac.

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #203 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:13pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:04pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 11:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 11:01am:

An ICE Agent has just been shown on video murdering an unarmed woman as she attempted to drive away from them, shooting her at just a couple of metres away. Not surprisingly, Noem has claimed the agent acted in self defence. That is utter BS. If you watch the video closely, the woman in the car has her wheels turned full lock to the right and starts to slowly turn away from the agent, for which she is then shot dead. I also saw reports that a doctor who saw it happen was denied access to render medical care and that when paramedics attended about 15 minutes later, they were blocked by ICE Agent vehicles, with agents instead carrying her lifeless body to the paramedics. This is utterly appalling and I hope the Agent who shot this woman is immediately placed on administrative leave while the investigation takes place. Given this is the Trump administration, I seriously doubt that will happen.

Do you need an investigation, you have already called it murder. There is no way you are going to accept anything other than a murder conviction is there. You have made you mind up.

And so has the Trump administration!

Noem and Trump - within minutes of the shooting - announced to the world that it was a simple case of self-defence and that there was nothing to see here.

I just hope the murderer faces some sort of civil lawsuit from the murdered woman's family.

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Reply #204 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:28pm

So the pair of fanny lickers 👅 she/her - have/had a bad case of TDS - so much so that they shifted to Canada - 8 months later they came crawling back to the US

Trained as ICE WATCH agitator Warriors after meeting militant Activists through Child’s ‘Social Justice’ Focused Charter School - to also radicalise their kid.

“ICE Watch” is a loose alliance of radicalized anti-ICE activists dedicated to monitoring, documenting, and actively resisting the agency. They track and follow agents, film them, and often dox their vehicles and other identifying information.

So they deliberately went down town to block and agitate ICE workers - use their car as a weapon while the other moron filmed it to get likes on their activist social media pages etc

Leftism is a mental disease - you become extreme, violent and murderous

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Re: ICE Agent just murdered a woman
Reply #205 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:58pm:

A question for all the whiners who think the police officer did the wrong thing. Would you try to drive away from police after being instructed to get out of the car, and force a police officer who is pointing his gun at you to get out of the way in order to avoid being run over by you?

The murderer is not a police officer.

Do you think the officer was illegally misidentifying himself as police?

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Reply #206 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:36pm

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 11:55am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 11:52am:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:53am:

I think this woman is a candidate for the Darwin award. Trying to evade police. Ignoring their instructions to get out of the car. Then driving towards an officer who already had his gun pointed out her.

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What kinds of ruses does ICE use?

It is common for ICE to pretend to be local law enforcement. ICE agents often say they are “police” or “law enforcement” and mimic how local law enforcement officers act and dress. In doing so, they hide their ICE badges, or anything identifying them as ICE. They are often dressed in plain-clothes, are wearing similar colors as local police, and/or wear vests that say POLICE across the front.

As part of a ruse, ICE agents intentionally lie or mislead you about who they are and that their real intentions are to identify and arrest the non-citizen they have targeted. Pretending to be local police, ICE agents may pretend to be conducting a criminal investigation or identity theft case. They may say they just want to show you pictures of a crime suspect to see if you know them.

ICE does not only use ruses pretending to be local police. They also use ruses pretending to be potential employers, or even private businesses. They may drive what looks like a delivery van, wear a fake uniform, or carry ladders, clipboards, and other props. They may intentionally be vague about who they are.

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/ice-ruses/#:~:text=Island%2C%20March%202...

Cunning, no?

Are you saying they were illegally misidentifying themselves as police? Do at least try to make sense.

No, dear. I have an NYPD police T shirt myself. Perfectly legal.

ICE wear surplus POLICE flack jackets. I imagine that's perfectly legal too.

What it's not legal for them to do is arrest, detain, move citizens on or shoot them in the head.

Do you have any further questions?

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Reply #207 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:38pm

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 12:58pm:

A question for all the whiners who think the police officer did the wrong thing. Would you try to drive away from police after being instructed to get out of the car, and force a police officer who is pointing his gun at you to get out of the way in order to avoid being run over by you?

Now you're just playing cutsie-pie. You've been getting tips off Bobby, yes?

Still, you haven't answered the question. Have you watched the video?

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Reply #209 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:44pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:28pm:

So the pair of fanny lickers 👅 she/her - have/had a bad case of TDS - so much so that they shifted to Canada - 8 months later they came crawling back to the US

Trained as ICE WATCH agitator Warriors after meeting militant Activists through Child’s ‘Social Justice’ Focused Charter School - to also radicalise their kid.

“ICE Watch” is a loose alliance of radicalized anti-ICE activists dedicated to monitoring, documenting, and actively resisting the agency. They track and follow agents, film them, and often dox their vehicles and other identifying information.

So they deliberately went down town to block and agitate ICE workers - use their car as a weapon while the other moron filmed it to get likes on their activist social media pages etc

Leftism is a mental disease - you become extreme, violent and murderous

But of course. The resistance is well organized, cunning and oh - perfectly legal.

Doxing is not a thing, dear. Federal employees are legally required to identify themselves.

This is how we know they're not POLICE. They don't wear badges with numbers, they don't even reveal their faces.

If police did that, any charges would be dropped. Police have to follow the federal Miranda Act.

You?

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