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Re: MAGA Off-ramp
Reply #30 - Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:58am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:31am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 7:28am:

I get that they're troglodytes but this kind of sentiment frightens me.

There is always redemption. In fact, throughout the ages, many of the most potent agents of change have been those to walk dark places.

I'd hate to see the Trump fueled zeitgeist go on to punish absolutely anybody more than it already has. He's preyed on the most vulnerable, let's not join ranks.

It's never to late to see the light.

Unless of course Trump gets us all killed ... which looks more likely with every passing day.

Normally, I could shrug off political differences, even when they mean people lose healthcare or the redistribution of wealth feeds the big end of town. Politics is messy, opinions clash, you roll with it.

But this isn't that anymore. The remaining red hats aren't just disagreeing, they're openly defending child abusers. They're applauding extrajudicial killings, masked, unaccountable secret police snatching people from the streets, ignoring constitutional rights, even murdering American citizens. And the unprecedented levels of corruption from the top down, putting the very democracy at risk.

These aren't policy disagreements. This is moral rot. Their humanity is compromised, and they back it willingly.

At this point, it's impossible to look at them and not see the truth: these people are beyond redemption.

Yep. So true.

And ICE Barbie's terrorists have murdered an American citizen in Minneapolis today.

Frank will be celebrating, of course.

The official line is, she was a domestic terrorist...

I'm sure he'll just adopt that line like a good sheep.

Everyone still clinging to MAGA missed their off-ramp. If they haven't woken up by now, they never will.

From this point on, they are fully accountable for whatever consequences their choices bring. They've been willing participants all along, there's no room to play the victim anymore.

When Trump comes after them, there will be zero sympathy.

I hope the ICE officer who shot that woman is placed on administrative duty until the shooting is fully investigated. I also hope that I will win the Lotto one day, but am not holding my breath.

I doubt the murderer will be put on leave.

Noem will just let him carry on as if nothing happened.

This is exactly what Trump wants.

Sadly, I agree, and when this incident comes up at Congressional hearings, I fully expect Noem to completely stonewall and avoid any accountability whatsoever. It is a disgrace.

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Re: MAGA Off-ramp
Reply #31 - Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:15am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:58am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:31am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:21am:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 7:28am:

I get that they're troglodytes but this kind of sentiment frightens me.

There is always redemption. In fact, throughout the ages, many of the most potent agents of change have been those to walk dark places.

I'd hate to see the Trump fueled zeitgeist go on to punish absolutely anybody more than it already has. He's preyed on the most vulnerable, let's not join ranks.

It's never to late to see the light.

Unless of course Trump gets us all killed ... which looks more likely with every passing day.

Normally, I could shrug off political differences, even when they mean people lose healthcare or the redistribution of wealth feeds the big end of town. Politics is messy, opinions clash, you roll with it.

But this isn't that anymore. The remaining red hats aren't just disagreeing, they're openly defending child abusers. They're applauding extrajudicial killings, masked, unaccountable secret police snatching people from the streets, ignoring constitutional rights, even murdering American citizens. And the unprecedented levels of corruption from the top down, putting the very democracy at risk.

These aren't policy disagreements. This is moral rot. Their humanity is compromised, and they back it willingly.

At this point, it's impossible to look at them and not see the truth: these people are beyond redemption.

Yep. So true.

And ICE Barbie's terrorists have murdered an American citizen in Minneapolis today.

Frank will be celebrating, of course.

The official line is, she was a domestic terrorist...

I'm sure he'll just adopt that line like a good sheep.

Everyone still clinging to MAGA missed their off-ramp. If they haven't woken up by now, they never will.

From this point on, they are fully accountable for whatever consequences their choices bring. They've been willing participants all along, there's no room to play the victim anymore.

When Trump comes after them, there will be zero sympathy.

I hope the ICE officer who shot that woman is placed on administrative duty until the shooting is fully investigated. I also hope that I will win the Lotto one day, but am not holding my breath.

I doubt the murderer will be put on leave.

Noem will just let him carry on as if nothing happened.

This is exactly what Trump wants.

Sadly, I agree, and when this incident comes up at Congressional hearings, I fully expect Noem to completely stonewall and avoid any accountability whatsoever. It is a disgrace.

She is one of the most evil criminals in the Trump administration.

She gets off on the killings.

Vile creature.

She deserves to rot in prison.

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ProudKangaroo Gold Member Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 21684 Meeanjin (Brisbane)	Re: MAGA Off-ramp Reply #32 - Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:15am Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:58am: I hope the ICE officer who shot that woman is placed on administrative duty until the shooting is fully investigated. I also hope that I will win the Lotto one day, but am not holding my breath. Yeah right...
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Re: MAGA Off-ramp
Reply #33 - Jan 8^th, 2026 at 3:55pm

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 7:28am:

I get that they're troglodytes but this kind of sentiment frightens me.

There is always redemption. In fact, throughout the ages, many of the most potent agents of change have been those to walk dark places.

I'd hate to see the Trump fueled zeitgeist go on to punish absolutely anybody more than it already has. He's preyed on the most vulnerable, let's not join ranks.

It's never to late to see the light.

Unless of course Trump gets us all killed ... which looks more likely with every passing day.

Just so, Mother, I could not agree more.

We must have hope, no? Posters like Bobby, Aquascoot, Leroy and the old boy could find redemption any day now.

I sure they'll come to their senses. All it will take is truth, facts and the clear light of reason.

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen, yes?

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Re: MAGA Off-ramp
Reply #34 - Jan 8^th, 2026 at 7:06pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:07am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:58am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:56am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

Do you have any firearms in your possession sadroo?.

I know you're trying to rebrand this thread, pretending its purpose is to "make a list" for a shooting spree. That's typical behaviour from you, especially given you're one of the prime suspects who missed the MAGA off-ramp yourself.

But let's be clear, I'm not like you, or people like you, who openly cheer and advocate for violence and killings. Nothing here does that. This is a purely academic exercise about moral responsibility and accountability.

As usual, you're reaching for a grotesque false accusation to avoid engaging with the substance. And, as usual, it'll end up being something else you'll eventually need to apologise for.

Yeah but are you in possession of firearms.

I have 4 legal and registered hunting rifles yes.

I was waiting to see what the proposed buy back scheme would be and what value they'll offer. If it's market value they'd be worth more to me converted to cash.

I recently sold one to a retired police officer in Perth. Even though it was done through a licensed dealer, they just shipped it via Aus Post with the minimum of tracking... The system is broken.

Four guns, eh? Bbwiyawn will be very, very cross with you.

What are you hunting with 4 guns? You live in freakin' Meanjin, ffs! Grin

I don't have any guns, never had any - and I am the bad guy here.

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Re: MAGA Off-ramp
Reply #35 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 7:11am

Frank wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 7:06pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 10:07am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:58am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:56am:

Leroy wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

Do you have any firearms in your possession sadroo?.

I know you're trying to rebrand this thread, pretending its purpose is to "make a list" for a shooting spree. That's typical behaviour from you, especially given you're one of the prime suspects who missed the MAGA off-ramp yourself.

But let's be clear, I'm not like you, or people like you, who openly cheer and advocate for violence and killings. Nothing here does that. This is a purely academic exercise about moral responsibility and accountability.

As usual, you're reaching for a grotesque false accusation to avoid engaging with the substance. And, as usual, it'll end up being something else you'll eventually need to apologise for.

Yeah but are you in possession of firearms.

I have 4 legal and registered hunting rifles yes.

I was waiting to see what the proposed buy back scheme would be and what value they'll offer. If it's market value they'd be worth more to me converted to cash.

I recently sold one to a retired police officer in Perth. Even though it was done through a licensed dealer, they just shipped it via Aus Post with the minimum of tracking... The system is broken.

Four guns, eh? Bbwiyawn will be very, very cross with you.

What are you hunting with 4 guns? You live in freakin' Meanjin, ffs! Grin

I don't have any guns, never had any - and I am the bad guy here.

I used to go boar hunting and roo culling on the family farm up north.

The last time I went was a couple of years ago now. We had an infrared camera on the drone to help spot them at dawn and dusk, but it's like using a fish finder, it changes the whole feel of it.

It's not like it used to be when my dad took me. There'd be a roo at 100 metres plus, flat out, and Dad would get down on all fours so I could rest the rifle on his back to steady the shot.

All my brothers and sisters were there, sharing Spam and tomato sauce sandwiches that had almost turned in the 40-plus degree heat. Those are good memories, and I'm conscious of the fact that I'm slowly losing them.

I took my son and daughter on the last trip, the whole family came along. It felt like closing a chapter. They're not interested in hunting, they never grew up with the same connection to the land, fewer and fewer of my brothers and sisters turn up to the yearly trips, and I think we're all drifting on. Like I said, I missed last couple too...

If Albo does trigger another buy-back and the price is right, I'll probably convert what's left into cash.

Anyway, what were we talking about?

Oh right. You dickheads were trying to paint me as some kind of risk because, after everything Trump has said and done, you still support his abhorrent actions, because at this point it's no longer a political position, it's part of who you are. And when that gets uncomfortable, you go looking for a distraction, anything to shift the spotlight away from your own moral rot.

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Re: MAGA Off-ramp
Reply #36 - Jan 10^th, 2026 at 2:03pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 8^th, 2026 at 6:35am:

There was a MAGA off-ramp. A window for those who claimed they were betrayed when Trump began abandoning his campaign promises almost immediately after securing a second term to leave the cult.

That window is closed. It has been long enough. It is now too late to take the red hat off.

The off-ramp existed before the Epstein files were suppressed and grotesquely redacted to erase Trump's name. It existed before federal agencies were leaned on to protect the powerful rather than expose the truth. It existed before ICE was unleashed as a roaming intimidation force, assaulting, terrorising, and now killing people, including US citizens, while openly disregarding constitutional rights.

It existed before the corruption became so brazen that it stopped pretending to be subtle.

Trump didn't just govern, he monetised the presidency. Personal enrichment through hotels and golf courses, foreign delegations funnelled into Trump properties, family members embedded in state power and trade discussions, pardons dangled, access sold, norms shredded. Public office was treated as a private revenue stream, and MAGA applauded because it was their guy doing the looting.

The off-ramp existed before the failed tariff regime and trade wars that functioned as a tax on ordinary Americans. Tariffs sold as "toughness" translated directly into higher prices for essentials. Inflation didn't fall on billionaires or Trump donors, it landed on groceries, fuel, housing and medicine. Everyday Americans paid more so Trump could cosplay as an economic nationalist while demonstrating no understanding of the mechanics.

It existed before affordability collapsed further under his policies that deliberately gutted healthcare support. Letting ACA credits lapse wasn't an accident, it was a choice, a choise he shutdown the government to protect that outcome. Costs rose, coverage fell, and families were told to cope while Trump offered slogans instead of solutions.

And now, after all of that, after the suppression of evidence, the erosion of rights, the corruption, the economic vandalism, the attacks on civilians, the war-mongering, and the sudden willingness to pour billions into overseas ventures and military spending while people at home can't afford insulin or rent, we are still expected to believe there is an exit?

No.

If none of this shook your support, then you didn't miss the off-ramp, you drove past it deliberately. You assessed child abuse allegations being buried, constitutional violations, state corruption, economic harm and violence, and decided it was acceptable so long as it was done in a red hat.

At this point, continued support isn't ignorance, it's endorsement.

And no, you don't get absolution later by quietly taking the hat off. You don't get to claim you "didn't know" once it becomes inconvenient or his aggression and war mongering destabilises not only global economies but the world, impacting us all, even here in Aus.

Your support helped normalise this. You enabled it and entrenched it.

History won't forget. Neither will the people harmed by it.

There are no further off-ramps. This is who those who remain, steadfastly supporting the abhorrent, have chosen to be.

Shurely shome mishtake. Shurely.

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Re: MAGA Off-ramp
Reply #37 - Jan 11^th, 2026 at 6:49am

Let's stop dodging the real conversation. You want to talk about distractions, narratives, whataboutism, fine, but none of that changes the facts staring us in the face.

The MAGA base isn't debating, they're defending the indefensible: child abuse cover-ups, Epstein files withheld, ICE agents killing American citizens, a cost of living crushing families, farmers bankrupted, trade wars lost, new conflicts started, corruption exposed, civil findings of sexual abuse ignored, democratic institutions undermined, and environmental protections shredded.

And yet, after all of it, their resolve doesn't waver. Every failure, every crime, every lie becomes another test of loyalty, and they pass by continuing to defend the machine without question.

If you want to talk about distractions, fine. But don't pretend these aren't the realities MAGA supporters are being asked to excuse. That's the point. There is no off-ramp left. They are not loyal because of policy or principle, they are loyal because surrender is easier than admitting they've been complicit in defending the indefensible.

So yes, get back to the facts. These are the things they are defending, the things you are defending.

If you want to dodge them, that's fine, but don't drag the rest of us into your distraction theatre.

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Reply #39 - Jan 11^th, 2026 at 8:16am

Not everyone suffers TDS sadroo.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 11^th, 2026 at 6:49am:

Let's stop dodging the real conversation. You want to talk about distractions, narratives, whataboutism, fine, but none of that changes the facts staring us in the face.

The MAGA base isn't debating, they're defending the indefensible: child abuse cover-ups, Epstein files withheld, ICE agents killing American citizens, a cost of living crushing families, farmers bankrupted, trade wars lost, new conflicts started, corruption exposed, civil findings of sexual abuse ignored, democratic institutions undermined, and environmental protections shredded.

And yet, after all of it, their resolve doesn't waver. Every failure, every crime, every lie becomes another test of loyalty, and they pass by continuing to defend the machine without question.

If you want to talk about distractions, fine. But don't pretend these aren't the realities MAGA supporters are being asked to excuse. That's the point. There is no off-ramp left. They are not loyal because of policy or principle, they are loyal because surrender is easier than admitting they've been complicit in defending the indefensible.

So yes, get back to the facts. These are the things they are defending, the things you are defending.

If you want to dodge them, that's fine, but don't drag the rest of us into your distraction theatre.

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