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Reply #90 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 12:58pm
 
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Reply #91 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 12:58pm
 
The ‘Putinization’ of US foreign policy has arrived in Venezuela

Julian Borger
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Trump is no longer bending the rules – he is demolishing them, with consequences far beyond Caracas


Hardly anyone expected 2026 to be a year of peace, and it was barely two days old when the worst fears were confirmed.

The overnight strikes on Venezuela, the abduction of its leader, Nicolás Maduro, and his wife, and Donald Trump’s declaration that the US would “run” the country and sell its oil, have driven another truck through international law and global norms. But that is not even the most concerning thing about it.

Donald Trump has been driving convoys of bulldozers through that increasingly fragile edifice since taking office nearly a year ago, and now it is mostly wreckage. The events overnight were preceded by airstrikes on small boats in the seas off Central America and the killing of their crews based on unproven allegations of drug trafficking, and the armed seizure of Venezuelan oil tankers on the high seas. It is not yet known how many people were killed in the capture of Maduro in the early hours of Saturday.

In terms of global stability, the worst thing about the Maduro rendition is that it worked.

Trump’s belief in his own global omnipotence, and his desire to grab the territory and natural resources of other countries has been held in check until now by his fear of entanglement in foreign wars. He claimed (falsely) to have ended eight wars, and his greatest ambition in 2025 seemed to be winning the Nobel peace prize. Less than a month ago he was brandishing a hastily confected substitute, the Fifa peace prize. That act of self-abasement by world football’s governing body looks even more absurd now than it did when Trump grabbed the gold medal and put it around his own neck.

Trump’s apprehension over foreign wars seems to be waning. He was clearly thrilled by the drama of the Maduro operation, and the efficiency of the American soldiers who carried it out, declaring on Saturday he was “not afraid” of deploying ground forces in Venezuela to pursue his interests. For an ageing president, growing more petulant, irascible and incoherent with every day in office – facing diminishing popularity and desperate to distract attention from the Epstein child-trafficking scandal – a tightening embrace of military power is an ominous development.

On Saturday morning, Trump seemed giddy with military success. “A lot of good planning and a lot of great, great troops and great people,” Trump told the New York Times. “It was a brilliant operation, actually.”

The attack on Venezuela suggests the allure of foreign lands, oil and minerals is now glimmering brighter than the Nobel prize.

It was mostly left to others in the Trump administration to cast the attack in legal language and suggest that Maduro was being “brought to justice”. The Venezuelan leader was indicted in the US at the end of the first Trump term on corruption, drug trafficking and other offences.

Maduro is a dictator who has run an authoritarian state since 2013 with the help of elections widely regarded as rigged. But the specific drug allegations made against him by the US are seen by most experts as flimsy, and would not represent convincing grounds under international or US law for the attack on Venezuela and Maduro’s abduction. In repeated statements, Trump has made clear he is more covetous of Venezuela’s oil than motivated by a desire to bring Maduro before a court, or deliver democracy to the people of Venezuela.

Hours after ousting Maduro, Trump said US were ready to move in to fix Venezuela’s decrepit, sanctions-ravaged oil industry. “We’ll be selling large amounts of oil,” he said.

The international laws and norms Trump has barged through had already been loosened by previous US administrations. The operation most closely resembles the 1990 invasion of Panama and forced surrender of its strongman, by the first Bush administration.

That was followed by the younger George Bush with the invasion of Iraq on false grounds, and his administration’s broad use of rendition of torture. Barack Obama failed to hold his predecessor’s administration to account and pursued his own legally questionable drone assassination campaign against suspected terrorists.

These are arguably discrete acts of hypocrisy by earlier presidents, who claimed exceptions from international laws in the pursuit of US interests, but mostly embraced global norms in the knowledge that the “rules-based system” overwhelmingly favoured America.

Trump has complete disdain for that system. He looks at the world through the eyes of a 19th-century imperialist, but with 21st-century weapons.

It is unclear how far Trump intends to go in Venezuela to advance his aims, but he made clear on Saturday that the “American armada” would remain poised in the region “until United States demands have been fully met and fully satisfied” – demands that are likely to include a takeover of Venezuela’s oil industry.

Trump said Maduro’s deputy, Delcy Rodríguez, was ready to cooperate with Washington and that he had other people in mind to put in place. It is unclear whether Maduro’s supporters have the capacity or will to resist a US takeover, or whether any rebel groups will take the opportunity to make a move. A tranquil outcome seems a remote prospect.

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Reply #92 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 12:58pm
 
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What unfolded overnight in Venezuela will cause immediate anxiety to governments like Iran and Denmark, against which Trump has expressed enthusiasm for taking radical action.

In recent days, Trump has said the US would come to the defence of Iranian anti-government protesters, and his officials have kept up a drumbeat of threats to take control of Greenland by any necessary means. Last month, the Danish Defence Intelligence Service labelled the US as a security risk, a declaration that would have been unthinkable just a short time ago for a Nato ally.

In his press conference on Saturday, Trump added Cuba to the list of countries in his sights, suggesting it was “very similar” to Venezuela “in the sense that we want to help the people in Cuba”. His secretary of state, Marco Rubio, added that Havana should feel “concerned” in the wake of the events in Venezuela.

It accelerates the slide from a mostly rules-based world to one of competing spheres of influence, to be determined by armed might and the readiness to use it. One US commentator, David Rothkopf, called it the “Putinization of US foreign policy”.

Russian commentators have frequently suggested that Latin America lies in America’s domain just as Ukraine was under the Russian shadow. Vladimir Putin thinks the same of much of eastern Europe. Xi Jinping will draw his own conclusions.

The peril made brutally clear in the first few days of 2026 is one that will ultimately be faced by everyone.

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Reply #93 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 1:14pm
 
Maduro and wife are suffering the effects of drug withdrawal  Cheesy
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Reply #94 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 1:36pm
 
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“Putinization of US foreign policy”


More like NATOnisation of Yugoslavia in1999.
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Reply #95 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 1:40pm
 
A Manhattan trial of Maduro would be held just a few blocks from City Hall.

Mamdani major butthurt is predicted  Wink
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Reply #96 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 2:54pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 1:36pm:
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More like NATOnisation of Yugoslavia in1999.

Russki propaganda. The Serb thug stayed in charge and Kosovo had UN supervision until independence.

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Reply #97 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:09pm
 
Leroy wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 12:13pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 12:06pm:
Leroy wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 11:57am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 11:51am:
chimera wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 10:58am:
Jasin wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 10:34am:
This time. Trump helps the cause directly and efficiently.
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Speaking during a news conference on Saturday, Trump said the US would “run the country until such time as we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition”. During Saturday’s news conference, Trump said that “very large United States oil companies” would move into Venezuela to “fix the badly broken… oil infrastructure and start making money for the country”.
He added that his administration’s actions “will make the people of Venezuela rich, independent and safe”.


Worthy words from Trump, but will he achieve it?

In the US, polls show many people who elected Trump in 2024 won't do so in the midterms, because the cost-of-living remains a burden for many, despite Trump's promises. 

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This will follow the great win in Vietnam and victory in Afghanistan, both being a triumph for Trump. Emperor Hirohito has bowed in respect to Sir DJ Trump and will make Australia prosperous in The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Trump may sell Colombia to him.


(pass....)


So Trump is more concerned about doing the right thing instead of mid term voting, so undemocratic of him.


"Doing the right thing" includes reducing cost of living pressures in the US, which he has failed to do (according to polls).  I won't hold my breath expecting a positive outcome for low income groups in Venezuela.

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I was going to suggest you ring the manager but with so many lefties ringing the manager at the moment you would be on hold for a while.


Triumphant Mamdani and Sanders have the platforms to address the manager - he would be wise to listen.




770,000 Venezuelians will be able to return to Venezuela saving America billions and billions of dollars, freeing up accommodation, welfare, strain on health care and pressure on schools.


Refugees aren't the cause of the cost of living crisis in the US.

Indeed the US economy would shrink if refugees working on farms were expelled.


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You are happy the people of Venezuela have gained this opportunity to rebuild their country


Yes

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or do you prefer them to live under Maduro?.


No; after a brief period of reduction of poverty under socialist Chavez (who won a popular election over  the US supported RW dictator), which I and the population did support,  Maduro mismanaged the fall in the global oil price on which the socialist economy depended. 

Let's see what Trump can do; like I said, I won't hold my breath because he is even failing to assist low income groups in the US, despite - or because of his global tarrifs - regarding which the jury is still out (and indeed SCOTUS is  considering the legality of the tarrifs, apart from their economic effectiveness).  
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Reply #98 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:38pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 12:58pm:
......Hours after ousting Maduro, Trump said US were ready to move in to fix Venezuela’s decrepit, sanctions-ravaged oil industry. “We’ll be selling large amounts of oil,” he said........


A mostly excellent analysis by the Guardian, except for the excerpt above which perhaps reveals the Guardian's ideological leanings:  Trump claimed he would rebuild the oil industry to make Venezuelans prosperous again, whereas the Guardian wording  suggests he will be selling oil to benefit US interests.

....most likely true?.....

But of course the Guardian, like almost everyone, professes allegiance to a "rules based system" which doesn't - and can't - exist, so long as the UNSC veto exists.
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Reply #99 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:43pm
 
The most important factor of the Biden term was that he allowed a foreigner to enter USA illegally and to break into a house owned by an American and steal it by Squatters rights.
Pretty much sums it all up.
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Reply #100 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:49pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:43pm:
The most important factor of the Biden term was that he allowed a foreigner to enter USA illegally and to break into a house owned by an American and steal it by Squatters rights.
Pretty much sums it all up.


A vacant house, when side-walks of US cities are marred by tents occupied by the homeless?
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Reply #101 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:55pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:49pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:43pm:
The most important factor of the Biden term was that he allowed a foreigner to enter USA illegally and to break into a house owned by an American and steal it by Squatters rights.
Pretty much sums it all up.


A vacant house, when side-walks of US cities are marred by tents occupied by the homeless?

Maybe you should buy a house for a homeless person then TGD?
You know a lot of homeless people deserve to be homeless - karma for the evil.
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Reply #102 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 4:24pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:55pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:49pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 4th, 2026 at 3:43pm:
The most important factor of the Biden term was that he allowed a foreigner to enter USA illegally and to break into a house owned by an American and steal it by Squatters rights.
Pretty much sums it all up.


A vacant house, when side-walks of US cities are marred by tents occupied by the homeless?


Maybe you should buy a house for a homeless person then TGD?


I can't fix the dysfunctional Thatcherite-Neoclassical macro-economy ruining the entire world at present.

One house won't fix it....

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You know a lot of homeless people deserve to be homeless - karma for the evil.


Ah - your ignorant, blind RW ideology on full display, blaming the victims of macroeconomic dysfunction for their plight.

Deplorable. 

fyi, the real evil in the world at present is Neoclassical orthodoxy which is forcing austerity onto supposedly indebted governments, as per Neoclassical dogma.

Every currency-issuing government can afford to house all its citizens, most of all the US.



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Reply #103 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 5:26pm
 
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https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/what-is-fafo-trump-administrations-big-message-to-the-world-after-nicholas-capturenbsp/4096728/
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Reply #104 - Jan 4th, 2026 at 10:19pm
 
There’s no such thing as meaningful “neutrality” for a country that isn’t actually neutral. Switzerland can pull it off because it genuinely keeps its head down and shuts up. Australia and New Zealand doesn’t do that, and never really has. In the real world, countries like ours line up with someone whether they admit it or not. And the list of options isn’t endless, it’s basically the US, China, and maybe Russia at a distant third.

Take Venezuela. What the US does there isn’t really about Venezuela at all; it’s about the bigger chess game with China and Russia. You don’t have to like that, but pretending it isn’t the case doesn’t change anything. Frankly, Maduro and Co might have benefited from looking at a map. The US was never going to tolerate a China-Russia-Iran-aligned government sitting right on its doorstep.

Does this “send a message” to Russia or China? Maybe. But it’s pretty optimistic to think either of them care much about Western moral grandstanding. China is going after Taiwan regardless of how loudly we talk about the status quo, and Russia has shown for years that it treats sovereignty as optional... using chemical weapons overseas to kill opponents being just one example. If we’re keeping score on breaches of international norms, that’s a pretty big one.
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