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Question: Do you agree with Tony Abbott that the Bondi terrorist attack is a failure of assimilation?

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Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm
 
I ran this through ChatGPT to get it under 5000 characters. However, if you want to read the original, the link is at the bottom.

Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind.

Tony Abbott: Bondi massacre is what happens when assimilation fails


Western countries must ensure newcomers embrace their values


By Tony Abbott
18 December 2025

NATIONAL POST

It is Australia’s great shame that the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the October 7 massacre occurred here. In this grim respect, Australia now joins other Western nations grappling with militant Islamist extremism—despite the courage of a Muslim bystander who wrestled a gun from one attacker.

This atrocity did not arise in isolation. It represents the latest escalation in a campaign of Jew hatred that began almost immediately after October 7, when local Islamist preachers publicly rejoiced in the slaughter. It continued with a mob at the Sydney Opera House chanting “f—k the Jews,” followed by more than 100,000 people marching across the Sydney Harbour Bridge shouting “death to the IDF” and “globalize the intifada.”

As was entirely predictable, incitement has now translated into violence. Graffiti and vandalism gave way to synagogue firebombings, and now mass murder at Bondi. When calls for violence are tolerated, violence inevitably follows—and not only against Jews, but against anyone who does not conform to the demands of an apocalyptic Islamist worldview.

Yet Australia’s political response has been one of extraordinary weakness. No hate preachers have been prosecuted or deported. No extremist marches have been banned, despite laws that clearly permit such action when protest becomes intimidation. Instead, political leaders have pointed to tougher gun laws—despite Australia already having some of the strictest in the world—rather than confronting the Islamist ideology that celebrates “death to the infidel.”

Equally troubling is the continued reluctance, in the name of avoiding offence, to debate whether all belief systems are compatible with a liberal democratic society. Support for a caliphate or theocratic rule sits in obvious conflict with democratic parliaments, freedom of speech, religion, assembly and conscience—principles long taken for granted in Australia and across the West.

Since 1993, new citizens have pledged allegiance to Australia, affirming that they share its democratic beliefs, respect its rights and liberties, and uphold its laws. Since 2007, adult migrants have also been required to pass a citizenship test, including questions on freedom of religion and equality before the law. These are modest expectations, yet around 35 per cent of applicants reportedly fail. In the wake of the Bondi massacre, citizenship must mean more than reciting words—it must reflect genuine commitment.

Australia has always been a settler nation, but migrants were once expected to integrate quickly, learn English, work, and ultimately assimilate into the national mainstream. Multiculturalism, imported from Canada in the 1970s, has weakened this expectation, fostering “hyphenated Australians,” empty slogans, and grievance-driven identity politics that extremist ideologies readily exploit.

Because migrants choose Australia, presumably for what it is, we do them no favour by diluting the Anglo-Celtic civic culture or the Judaeo-Christian ethical framework that underpin our freedoms. In a multiethnic society, strong civic patriotism—rooted in shared values and common history—is essential to national cohesion.

While discrimination based on race or religion is rightly rejected, societies must still discriminate on values. Failure to do so risks self-destruction through misplaced tolerance. That Australia is now debating deporting extremist non-citizens and scrutinising visa applicants’ public views is overdue. The tragedy is that it has taken our worst terrorist outrage to make these truths speakable again.

SOURCE: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/tony-abbott-bondi-massacre-is-what-happens-when...
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Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:56pm
 
Abbott is yesterday’s man and today’s twit.

Muslims can swear allegiance, loyalty, love and whatever else they choose but such swearing, oath taking or promises mean nothing if, for the good of Islam, they lie.
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Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 4:38pm
 
There is no issue with expecting people who move to Australia to join "TEAM AUSTRALIA".
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Reply #3 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 5:07pm
 
The supository of no wisdom what so ever.

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Reply #4 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 5:36pm
 
Abbot is right.

But he, like Frydo, are too late. They should have been saying and doing this when they were in office.


But they were never in power. No centre right government is ever in POWER in the West, only in office. They were as multiculti enablers of Islamic jihad against the West as any Albo, Tony Burqa or Farkyouqi, ScoMo, Howard, Keating, Hawke and all the rest.

Uniparty. Unibureaucracy. Uniuni, Unimedia, Uniflowers and uniheadtilts.
As long as nothing is actually done.

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Reply #5 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:45pm
 
I agree, all of these good ideas are always too late.

The warning signs have been around for ages.
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Reply #6 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:00pm
 
Why assume that Muslims want to assimilate?
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Reply #7 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:13pm
 
They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:23pm
 
Which part of them will rule?

'Muslim leaders said they raised concerns about radical cleric Haddad – also known as Abu Ousayd – who has over many years cultivated a network of followers, some of whom have been convicted of terrorist offences. “The community has been saying for over 10 years, ‘Why haven’t you arrested this individual?’ He is destroying lots of these young men,” he said. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/muslim-community-warned-police-about-radical...
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MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm:
Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind.



Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel".

Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948.

Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find.... 

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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:28pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:13pm:
They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America.


Antisemitic hate speech.

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Reply #11 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:28pm:
Jasin wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:13pm:
They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America.


Antisemitic hate speech.


That's the view of Anti Semetics dickhead.
With Moslems having already having lay claim to Australia publically as THEIR Promised Land with the Jews in America as another excuse.

Jews & American Indians for Asia
Moslems and Australian Abos for Africa

You tell me your expert understanding of colonisation and what humanity is trying to achieve as a due process to be experienced towards a world of equality and fullfilled potential?

C'mon Poof. Sound up like you gotta pair!
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Reply #12 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm:
MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm:
Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind.



Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel".

Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948.

Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find.... 



There is nothing wrong with patriotism.

It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil.
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MattE wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:42pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm:
MattE wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:43pm:
Tony Abbott is so genuine. I have bet him at different events multiple times. He definitely isn't racist. He speaks this stuff from a place of patriotism, which is colourblind.



Abbott like you and me isnt a racist but ....beware of patriotism  -  "the last refuge of a scoundrel".

Assimilation is difficult for Muslims while Jews claim ownership of former Palestine, resulting in the endless war there since 1948.

Legal scholars need to consider WHY Jews are considered  to be infidels in Islam, but an honest jurist is hard to find.... 



There is nothing wrong with patriotism.

It is nationalist sentiment which can become evil.


...just as  claims by 'infidels'  re ownership of Muslim land can lead to evil.

So why are Jews considered to be Infidels by Muslims?
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Jasin wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 1:13pm:
They don't. They are absolutists. They want to get their numbers up and conquer bit by bit until they rule Australia like Jews do in America.


Ah  - I see: Jews aren't absolutists, they just want to possess their own little state, after having lost the original one  2000 years ago.

Problem is Jews are considerd infidels by 1.5 billion Muslims who objected to the usurpation of  Muslim Palestine by infidels.   
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