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Reply #45 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:51pm
 
FD wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:05pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:18am:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:38pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:03pm:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
[quote author=chimera link=1766029212/23#23 date=1766137369][quote author=Karnal link=1766029212/22#22 date=1766136782]  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.

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Right. So how's your DL going to get his guns back in New York?

And because he's still indicted in Georgia, how's he going to get them back nationwide?

We're discussing your beloved country's own gun laws here. Why doesn't your own prez have the right to bear arms?

My God, man, if your own prez...

Please explain?


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President Trump has lost his right to keep and bear arms due to his felony convictions. Under federal law, individuals convicted of crimes punishable by more than one year of imprisonment are prohibited from possessing firearms. Trump's convictions for falsifying business records fall into this category, making him a prohibited person under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1).

Legal Context

The law that restricts firearm possession for felons has been criticized for being overly broad. It applies to a wide range of non-violent offenses, which means many individuals, including Trump, lose their Second Amendment rights despite not posing a threat of violence. This has raised concerns about fairness and the implications for civil liberties.
Restoration of Rights

Currently, there is a movement within the Trump administration to restore firearm rights to certain convicted felons. The Department of Justice is working on reviving a process that would allow individuals to petition for the restoration of their gun rights. However, this process is still in development and would require case-by-case evaluations by the Attorney General [Pam Bondi]. https://imgur.com/GanwveZ.gif

In summary, due to his felony convictions, President Trump is legally barred from possessing firearms, but there are ongoing discussions about potentially restoring these rights in the near future.

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Since 2017 President Trump has been under the constant protection of his fully armed US Secret Service, & he will continue to be so protected for life.

So, IMHO, there isn't much haste to having his Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms restored, but knowing Trump, he will make it so, with abundant fanfare, sooner rather than later.  Wink

As an afterthought, if he truly wanted to carry a concealed firearm, who out there would be able to take it from him? The US Secret Service would be on them like white on rice!!
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When you say knowing Trump, he will make it so, what exactly do you mean?

To keep you changing the topic, shifting the goalposts or playing whatabout-that, we'll need a multiple choice. Kindly select a response, A to C. You, Panther, are suggesting your DL will:

a) Submit a request to the NY Department of Parole, express contrition for his 34 felony crimes and demonstrate that he presents no further risk of hate, violence or threat to the safety of your fellow citizens.

b) Report to Georgia to stand trial for his conspiracy to overthrow the 2020 election; and be found not guilty on all charges, despite uncontested evidence of him demanding the Georgia Secretary of State find him 11,800 votes, which is one more than what he needs.

c) Break the law by carrying a concealed firearm - the same crime you demanded Hunter Biden stand trial for.

Kindly select your answer. You may expand upon your response in the short-answer format, using a font, text colour and bordering, if preferred, of your own choice.



A -  Unnecessary. The US Attorney General Pam Bondi can reinstate President Trump's Second Amendment Rights upon request because it's a Federal Law, therefore not a NYS issue, it's a Federal issue, handled within the DOJ under the US Attorney General's Authority.  Wink

B - The Georgia charges against Donald Trump have been dismissed as of November 26, 2025, following his election victory. This dismissal marked the end of the criminal case related to his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia.  Wink

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C - There is no way of knowing if he will be carrying, or has been carrying all along....but....Once the DOJ via AG Pam Bondi accepts his request for reinstatement of his 2A Rights in full, allowing President Trump to keep & bear firearms, your points/suggestions become summarily moot.  Wink



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Re: ⮞⮞⮞ DOJ Opens New 2A Division ⮜⮜⮜
Reply #46 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:49pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:54am:
Drugs are OK for militia facing the Marines and US Space Force. Ice probably helped the Boys fight like hell in the enemy Capitol.


Ah, but Hunter Biden was previously addicted to crack, do you recall? ? He was charged for omitting to tick the drug-addict box on his gun form. This crime was so egregious, Panther wanted him prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

It was a crime so heinous and despicable, Panther said, not even a presidential pardon would suffice.

Oh? We said. But the 46th prez pardoned Hunter under your beloved Constitution. There's his signature - there, there, and there.

Nonsense, Panther said. It's signed in Autopen.

Yes, we said, just like your DL's pardons for all his family and friends. The Autopen is used to sign copies.

So? Panther said. DL's were legal. The Autopen has been used by presidents going back to Thomas Jefferson, it's all perfectly legit and above board.

So what's the problem with Sleepy Joe's? We asked.

Maybe it's the ink, he said. It's illegal.

Are you sure? We said. Does your Constitution reference ink - or the stylus used? Which ink was used to pen your beloved Constitution?

Panther wasn't sure, but he had a right old hoot when his DL replaced the portrait of his 46th prez with an image of an autopen.

Anyhow, Hunter appeared to escape his heinous gun charge thanks to a last minute pardon by Dad. Phew, we said. That settles that. It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court decides about drug charges or 12A Rights after all.

Until the 47th prez decided to overturn Sleepy Joe's pardons by executive order. We quickly consulted with Panther, our residential Constitutional expert.

He's done, Panther said. 47 trumps 46. Whatever DL says goes.

Yes, we said, but whatabout your beloved Constitution?

Panther replied with a big photo of DL, chuckling. No further questions, he said.
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Re: ⮞⮞⮞ DOJ Opens New 2A Division ⮜⮜⮜
Reply #47 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:29pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:51pm:
[size=14][font=Georgia][i]A -  Unnecessary. The US Attorney General Pam Bondi can reinstate President Trump's Second Amendment Rights upon request because it's a Federal Law, therefore not a NYS issue, it's a Federal issue, handled within the DOJ under the US Attorney General's Authority.  Wink

B - The Georgia charges against Donald Trump have been dismissed as of November 26, 2025, following his election victory. This dismissal marked the end of the criminal case related to his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia.  Wink

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C - There is no way of knowing if he will be carrying, or has been carrying all along....but....Once the DOJ via AG Pam Bondi accepts his request for reinstatement of his 2A Rights in full, allowing President Trump to keep & bear firearms


a) Pam Bondi has no jurisdiction in the state of New York. Your DL cannot legally be granted a license to bear arms there. We would have thought such an issue of state rights was fundamental to your very way of being, but alas, we have been proven wrong.

b) You have referenced a link to federal charges, but your argument stands. On November 26, 2025, Pete Skandalakis, the Executive Director of the Prosecuting Attorneys' Council of Georgia, filed a motion:

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There is no realistic prospect", he wrote, "that a sitting President will be compelled to appear in Georgia to stand trial on the allegations in this indictment", and by the end of Trump's second presidency in January 2029, "eight years will have elapsed since the phone call at issue [with Raffensperger]." At that point, the state would have to litigate the immunity issues — and succeed — before beginning a jury trial. He concluded that "bringing this case before a jury in 2029, 2030, or even 2031 would be nothing short of a remarkable feat", as it is difficult "to move appellate issues through the courts with any degree of speed.


c) Pam Bondi has no jurisdiction over state gun laws, particularly in New York and California, where your DL is still unlicensed and has not filed any appellate claims as per a). Your DL will become a standard citizen in 2029, and will be subject to federal law again, if he is not impeached in 2027, when he may become just another bare bottom in the showers of the Federal Bureau of Corrections.

This is as yet untested. Your DL is still under legal arrest in Georgia and convicted in New York. If you can prove he has had his 2A Rights restored after his state arrests and felony convictions, you are free to provide it.

To date, you have not.
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Re: ⮞⮞⮞ DOJ Opens New 2A Division ⮜⮜⮜
Reply #48 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 9:29pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 1:40pm:
Ah......the next 1,100+ days are going to be absolutely 'mind bending' to the pro-gun control ilk......

Can't wait to see them all twisting, screaming, & squirming!!! 

The Georgia convict will try to grin if everyone else gets more gun but not him. But winners, not losers, grin.
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Reply #49 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:10pm
 
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Personally Karnal, I don't give a Royal Rats Ass. The choice is the President's to exercise........ It's his Right........ What he does or doesn't do in this matter is not for me to lose a moment of sleep over. Cool

I celebrate the fact that my fellow Americans are fighting for their Rights across the US, & as time goes on their chances of success increases with friendly ears in the DOJ...It seems to be more of your concern, so you follow it up over the next 1,000+ days & keep us all up to date. Wink

More importantly hundreds upon hundreds of non-violent felons have petitioned the DOJ for reinstatement of their Second Amendment Rights to Keep & Bear Arms & more will most certainly succeed.


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Reply #50 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:23pm
 
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Reply #51 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 2:11pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 12:10pm:
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Personally Karnal, I don't give a Royal Rats Ass. The choice is the President's to exercise........ It's his Right........ What he does or doesn't do in this matter is not for me to lose a moment of sleep over. Cool

I celebrate the fact that my fellow Americans are fighting for their Rights across the US, & as time goes on their chances of success increases with friendly ears in the DOJ...It seems to be more of your concern, so you follow it up over the next 1,000+ days & keep us all up to date. Wink

More importantly hundreds upon hundreds of non-violent felons have petitioned the DOJ for reinstatement of their Second Amendment Rights to Keep & Bear Arms & more will most certainly succeed.


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Incorrect. You care deeply about the issue, as demonstrated by your post thus:

Panther wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:14pm:
Personally, if a felon committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen or citizens of the United States, again, personally I wouldn't feel that restoring their 2A Rights should ever come to pass.....even if they have become sincerely contrite & served out their criminal sentence/punishment. 


Personally, you say. You wouldn't feel. We now know exactly what your feelings on this important matter are: you care deeply.

If a felon committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen/citizens of your beloved United States, you don't want their 2A Rights restored ever again. Hell, you might say, should freeze over first.
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Reply #52 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 8:37pm
 
400 million is expected to rise.
'American cowboys did carry multiple guns for backup or increased firepower, especially those with military backgrounds like Confederate guerrillas. Carrying a second gun for quick reloading was practical, as revolvers held only six shots, making another loaded gun the fastest "reload."

Mr President has no cards now when Press may come on with two pistols each and he may be the weakest POTUS in history, ever.
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Reply #53 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 10:33pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 21st, 2025 at 8:37pm:
400 million is expected to rise.
'American cowboys did carry multiple guns for backup or increased firepower, especially those with military backgrounds like Confederate guerrillas. Carrying a second gun for quick reloading was practical, as revolvers held only six shots, making another loaded gun the fastest "reload."

Mr President has no cards now when Press may come on with two pistols each and he may be the weakest POTUS in history, ever.


If 47 wants to have his 2A restored, he'll need to take it up with SCOTUS.
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Reply #54 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:28am
 
'For a felon to have their federal firearms rights restored, they generally must obtain a presidential pardon'. 
'A felony conviction resulting in a ban on owning a firearm in one U.S. state means you are generally prohibited from possessing firearms in all U.S. states, permanently. Federal law, specifically 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1), makes it unlawful for any person convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year (which generally covers all felonies) to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition anywhere in the United States. A state license does not override federal law. This federal ban applies even if a person's state of residence has laws that might otherwise allow them to possess a firearm or has restored their civil rights'.

'The question of whether a U.S. President can pardon themselves is a debated constitutional gray area, with legal consensus leaning towards no, based on the principle that no person can be a judge in their own case, as suggested by a 1974 Department of Justice memo'.
'Historically, Roman dictators had temporary, near-absolute power, while modern examples involve emergency decrees and suspension of liberties to achieve total control, as seen with Hitler'.
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Reply #55 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 2:33pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 1:28am:
'For a felon to have their federal firearms rights restored, they generally must obtain a presidential pardon'. 
'A felony conviction resulting in a ban on owning a firearm in one U.S. state means you are generally prohibited from possessing firearms in all U.S. states, permanently. Federal law, specifically 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1), makes it unlawful for any person convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year (which generally covers all felonies) to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition anywhere in the United States. A state license does not override federal law. This federal ban applies even if a person's state of residence has laws that might otherwise allow them to possess a firearm or has restored their civil rights'.

'The question of whether a U.S. President can pardon themselves is a debated constitutional gray area, with legal consensus leaning towards no, based on the principle that no person can be a judge in their own case, as suggested by a 1974 Department of Justice memo'.
'Historically, Roman dictators had temporary, near-absolute power, while modern examples involve emergency decrees and suspension of liberties to achieve total control, as seen with Hitler'.


Good point, Chimera. Panther's beloved 47th prez is still ineligible to have his 2A Rights restored.

As you point out, he may, if he so chooses, request a pardon from the 48th. Gavin Newscum, Tampon Tim or even Crooked Hillary, if she runs again, will need to take this request into consideration if erected.

You may recall the offender, Enrique Tarrio. Enrique smuggled a cache of weapons and ammo into Washington in order to attack Congress and launch a violent insurrection. He was caught red-handed on Jan 5, 2021, convicted and sentenced to 22 years behind bars.

Today, Enrique has his 2A Rights restored. You'll be pleased to know Panther's DL pardoned Enrique and ordered his release in January, 2025. Enrique's weapon of choice?

Panther's believed AR 15. Enrique never leaves home without it.

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Reply #56 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 3:01pm
 
Indeed, the 48 could give his shooter back to the ex-president and give 47 the power he so sadly lacks today. The retiring image is of pardon for his mud-slide election.
Other felons can't vote while in prison but their disarmed felon Chief votes in UN and restores guns to the felony Boys. Prison parole boards can explain it all to the inmates, ask Panther.
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Reply #57 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 4:57pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 3:01pm:
Indeed, the 48 could give his shooter back to the ex-president and give 47 the power he so sadly lacks today. The retiring image is of pardon for his mud-slide election.
Other felons can't vote while in prison but their disarmed felon Chief votes in UN and restores guns to the felony Boys. Prison parole boards can explain it all to the inmates, ask Panther. 


Now now, Chimera, Panther won't even support a candidate indicted for a crime and/or crimes. Why would he support a prez establishing a 2A Division who's had his own 2A Rights revoked?

Such brazen hypocrisy would be unthinkable for such a patriot. Panther's a law and order man. He would never support a felon convicted of grave crimes against his fellow citizens having their 2A Rights restored.

Hell, he says, would have to freeze over first.
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Reply #58 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 6:52pm
 
I'm having suspicions that 49% who voted [1] Felon are not entitled morally to shoot people. They're sort of conspirators or associates. So Panther is a doubtful at this stage.
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Reply #59 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 10:38pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 6:52pm:
I'm having suspicions that 49% who voted [1] Felon are not entitled morally to shoot people. They're sort of conspirators or associates. So Panther is a doubtful at this stage.


No no, Panther's our Constitutional scholar. The law's his thing, dear. Nothing is more important to Panther than truth, justice and the American way.

He would never support such conspiracies and associations. Oh no, never ever.

Hell would have to freeze over first.
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