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Reply #30 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:18pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.



....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why do you only quote half the 2nd Amendment, Panther?  It should read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You're correct.....

Why? Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.


Just shows how stupid the Americans are.  You must read and act on the full clause of the constitution for it to have any validity.  Only acting on half of it shows how shallow your understanding of the matter is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:03pm
 
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
[quote author=chimera link=1766029212/23#23 date=1766137369][quote author=Karnal link=1766029212/22#22 date=1766136782]  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.



An American, accused, tried, & convicted of most heinous crimes committed against their fellow Americans.....their 2 Amendment Right to keep & bear arms should never be restored.

Some minor felonies for victimless crimes are different.

Lifetime bans from the Right to keep & bear firearms can be reviewed, & if it is determined they are totally rehabilitated their 2A Rights may be restored....on a case by case basis....not in bulk.


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Reply #32 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:18pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.



....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why do you only quote half the 2nd Amendment, Panther?  It should read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You're correct.....

Why? Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.


Just shows how stupid the Americans are.  You must read and act on the full clause of the constitution for it to have any validity.  Only acting on half of it shows how shallow your understanding of the matter is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So says the ignorant, inbred, non-American Queen Bwian.....who has no Rights except those permitted/licensed or 'granted' to him by her superiors....their slave master royalist governments.  Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy

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Reply #33 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:38pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:03pm:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
[quote author=chimera link=1766029212/23#23 date=1766137369][quote author=Karnal link=1766029212/22#22 date=1766136782]  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.



An American, accused, tried, & convicted of most heinous crimes committed against their fellow Americans.....their 2 Amendment Right to keep & bear arms should never be restored.

Some minor felonies for victimless crimes are different.

Lifetime bans from the Right to keep & bear firearms can be reviewed, & if it is determined they are totally rehabilitated their 2A Rights may be restored....on a case by case basis....not in bulk.




Right. So how's your DL going to get his guns back in New York?

And because he's still indicted in Georgia, how's he going to get them back nationwide?

We're discussing your beloved country's own gun laws here. Why doesn't your own prez have the right to bear arms?

My God, man, if your own prez...

Please explain?
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Reply #34 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 10:25pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:18pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.


....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why do you only quote half the 2nd Amendment, Panther?  It should read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You're correct.....

Why? Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.


Just shows how stupid the Americans are.  You must read and act on the full clause of the constitution for it to have any validity.  Only acting on half of it shows how shallow your understanding of the matter is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So says the ignorant, inbred, non-American Queen Bwian.....who has no Rights except those permitted/licensed or 'granted' to him by her superiors....their slave master royalist governments.  Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy


I am not a, "Queen", I am not female, Panther.  I have rights.  I live in a society more free than the US.  I note that despite all your discouragement you live here too, without your beloved guns.  Funny that, hey, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #35 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 10:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 10:25pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:18pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:18pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.


....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why do you only quote half the 2nd Amendment, Panther?  It should read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You're correct.....

Why? Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.


Just shows how stupid the Americans are.  You must read and act on the full clause of the constitution for it to have any validity.  Only acting on half of it shows how shallow your understanding of the matter is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So says the ignorant, inbred, non-American Queen Bwian.....who has no Rights except those permitted/licensed or 'granted' to him by her superiors....their slave master royalist governments.  Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy


I am not a, "Queen", I am not female, Panther.  I have rights.  I live in a society more free than the US.  I note that despite all your discouragement you live here too, without your beloved guns.  Funny that, hey, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Panther has no right to bear arms in a reasonable country, it is so.

So let's hear his take on his own beloved 47th, who has no such rights himself.

Panther?

Tsk tsk tsk, thanks.
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Reply #36 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 10:57pm
 
Brian is a female
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #37 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 11:01pm
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 10:57pm:
Brian is a female


Up for questions, are we?

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Reply #38 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:12am
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.

You use your gun in a militia to restrain the government?  The gun deaths are from shooting US servicemen?
Guns are a right but not a grant? So 2A is not the basis for personal gun use?
The order to not infringe guns means felons are to be infringed if they restrain government?  So no personal right?
You support Dems using guns to restrain Trump?

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Reply #39 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 8:49am
 
chimera wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 7:12am:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.

You use your gun in a militia to restrain the government?  The gun deaths are from shooting US servicemen?
Guns are a right but not a grant? So 2A is not the basis for personal gun use?
The order to not infringe guns means felons are to be infringed if they restrain government?  So no personal right?
You support Dems using guns to restrain Trump?



True, it does raise a most pertinent question, no?

What's 47 doing starting up a 2A division when said rights are denied to himself?

It would be as if Panther used public funds to start up a trans surgery at his local school.
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Reply #40 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:18am
 
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:38pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:03pm:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
[quote author=chimera link=1766029212/23#23 date=1766137369][quote author=Karnal link=1766029212/22#22 date=1766136782]  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.




An American, accused, tried, & convicted of most heinous crimes committed against their fellow Americans.....their 2 Amendment Right to keep & bear arms should never be restored.

Some minor felonies for victimless crimes are different.

Lifetime bans from the Right to keep & bear firearms can be reviewed, & if it is determined they are totally rehabilitated their 2A Rights may be restored....on a case by case basis....not in bulk.




Right. So how's your DL going to get his guns back in New York?

And because he's still indicted in Georgia, how's he going to get them back nationwide?

We're discussing your beloved country's own gun laws here. Why doesn't your own prez have the right to bear arms?

My God, man, if your own prez...

Please explain?


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President Trump has lost his right to keep and bear arms due to his felony convictions. Under federal law, individuals convicted of crimes punishable by more than one year of imprisonment are prohibited from possessing firearms. Trump's convictions for falsifying business records fall into this category, making him a prohibited person under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1).

Legal Context

The law that restricts firearm possession for felons has been criticized for being overly broad. It applies to a wide range of non-violent offenses, which means many individuals, including Trump, lose their Second Amendment rights despite not posing a threat of violence. This has raised concerns about fairness and the implications for civil liberties.
Restoration of Rights

Currently, there is a movement within the Trump administration to restore firearm rights to certain convicted felons. The Department of Justice is working on reviving a process that would allow individuals to petition for the restoration of their gun rights. However, this process is still in development and would require case-by-case evaluations by the Attorney General [Pam Bondi]. https://imgur.com/GanwveZ.gif

In summary, due to his felony convictions, President Trump is legally barred from possessing firearms, but there are ongoing discussions about potentially restoring these rights in the near future.

bestlawyers.com       U.S. Department of Justice



Since 2017 President Trump has been under the constant protection of his fully armed US Secret Service, & he will continue to be so protected for life.

So, IMHO, there isn't much haste to having his Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms restored, but knowing Trump, he will make it so, with abundant fanfare, sooner rather than later.  Wink

As an afterthought, if he truly wanted to carry a concealed firearm, who out there would be able to take it from him? The US Secret Service would be on them like white on rice!!
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Reply #41 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:54am
 
Well, there we have it. Bullets beat brains.  Forget the Constitution, Georgia's jail cell, 2A or Trump's senility.
Locked and loaded. 400 million magazines can't be wrong.
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Reply #42 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:45am
 
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Second Amendment Roundup:
Supreme Court to decide status of unlawful drug users.


ATF’s expansive regulation conflicts with U.S. position that only habitual users are disarmed.


Source:
      
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The Supreme Court has granted cert in
U.S. v. Hemani
, which concerns the constitutionality of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3), which forbids a person from possessing a firearm in or affecting commerce if he "is an unlawful user of … any controlled substance." 

The United States just filed its opening brief, stating: "At issue here is Section 922(g)(3)'s disarmament of a defined class of people—habitual users of controlled substances, i.e., those who regularly and unlawfully use drugs that are subject to the Controlled Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. 801 et seq. That restriction is temporary and limited: a person regains his ability to possess arms as soon as he stops habitually using drugs.".....(read more)

REASON
   





Lets see what the SCOTUS sees in regarding this particular instance of the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.... ...


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Reply #43 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 11:54am
 
Drugs are OK for militia facing the Marines and US Space Force. Ice probably helped the Boys fight like hell in the enemy Capitol.
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Reply #44 - Dec 20th, 2025 at 3:05pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 20th, 2025 at 10:18am:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:38pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:03pm:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:53pm:
[quote author=chimera link=1766029212/23#23 date=1766137369][quote author=Karnal link=1766029212/22#22 date=1766136782]  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.




An American, accused, tried, & convicted of most heinous crimes committed against their fellow Americans.....their 2 Amendment Right to keep & bear arms should never be restored.

Some minor felonies for victimless crimes are different.

Lifetime bans from the Right to keep & bear firearms can be reviewed, & if it is determined they are totally rehabilitated their 2A Rights may be restored....on a case by case basis....not in bulk.




Right. So how's your DL going to get his guns back in New York?

And because he's still indicted in Georgia, how's he going to get them back nationwide?

We're discussing your beloved country's own gun laws here. Why doesn't your own prez have the right to bear arms?

My God, man, if your own prez...

Please explain?


Quote:
President Trump has lost his right to keep and bear arms due to his felony convictions. Under federal law, individuals convicted of crimes punishable by more than one year of imprisonment are prohibited from possessing firearms. Trump's convictions for falsifying business records fall into this category, making him a prohibited person under 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1).

Legal Context

The law that restricts firearm possession for felons has been criticized for being overly broad. It applies to a wide range of non-violent offenses, which means many individuals, including Trump, lose their Second Amendment rights despite not posing a threat of violence. This has raised concerns about fairness and the implications for civil liberties.
Restoration of Rights

Currently, there is a movement within the Trump administration to restore firearm rights to certain convicted felons. The Department of Justice is working on reviving a process that would allow individuals to petition for the restoration of their gun rights. However, this process is still in development and would require case-by-case evaluations by the Attorney General [Pam Bondi]. https://imgur.com/GanwveZ.gif

In summary, due to his felony convictions, President Trump is legally barred from possessing firearms, but there are ongoing discussions about potentially restoring these rights in the near future.

bestlawyers.com       U.S. Department of Justice



Since 2017 President Trump has been under the constant protection of his fully armed US Secret Service, & he will continue to be so protected for life.

So, IMHO, there isn't much haste to having his Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms restored, but knowing Trump, he will make it so, with abundant fanfare, sooner rather than later.  Wink

As an afterthought, if he truly wanted to carry a concealed firearm, who out there would be able to take it from him? The US Secret Service would be on them like white on rice!!
https://imgur.com/GanwveZ.gifhttps://imgur.com/GanwveZ.gifhttps://imgur.com/GanwveZ.gif


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When you say knowing Trump, he will make it so, what exactly do you mean?

To keep you changing the topic, shifting the goalposts or playing whatabout-that, we'll need a multiple choice. Kindly select a response, A to C. You, Panther, are suggesting your DL will:

a) Submit a request to the NY Department of Parole, express contrition for his 34 felony crimes and demonstrate that he presents no further risk of hate, violence or threat to the safety of your fellow citizens.

b) Report to Georgia to stand trial for his conspiracy to overthrow the 2020 election; and be found not guilty on all charges, despite uncontested evidence of him demanding the Georgia Secretary of State find him 11,800 votes, which is one more than what he needs.

c) Break the law by carrying a concealed firearm - the same crime you demanded Hunter Biden stand trial for.

Kindly select your answer. You may expand upon your response in the short-answer format, using a font, text colour and bordering, if preferred, of your own choice.

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