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Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 5:32pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:14pm:
FD wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 4:36pm:
That's a relief, Panther, but I'm curious. What do you have to say about the rights of convicted felons to bear arms?

Constitutionally, I mean.

Thoughts?


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18 U.S.C. § 922(g), is a U.S. federal law making it illegal for certain "prohibited persons"—like convicted felons, fugitives, those addicted to controlled substances, or dishonorably discharged veterans—to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. It's a key part of federal firearm law, focusing on who can have guns, establishing categories of people banned from gun ownership, primarily due to past criminal history, mental health issues, or other serious status violations.




Karnal, that's a law written & created by the US Congress.....it is not a Constitutional restriction or specification of the US Constitution itself.

Personally, if a felon committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen or citizens of the United States, again, personally I wouldn't feel that restoring their 2A Rights should ever come to pass.....even if they have become sincerely contrite & served out their criminal sentence/punishment. 

That said, if contrite, done their sentenced time or paid full restitution, & depending on the gravity of their crime(s), if they are determined to be no longer a threat to the general public by the authorities, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't have all their 2A Rights restored in full.  https://i.imgur.com/oAMLT1C.gif




Thanks, Panther.

So if your DL, a convicted felon, was to express contrition and found to be no longer a threat to the general public by the authorities in New York, you'd support him having his 2A Rights restored, would you?

What if he asserted that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and his base would continue to worship him?

Would you support someone like that having their 2A Rights restored?
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Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:14pm
 
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 5:32pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:14pm:
FD wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 4:36pm:
That's a relief, Panther, but I'm curious. What do you have to say about the rights of convicted felons to bear arms?

Constitutionally, I mean.

Thoughts?


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Constitutionally, I mean.


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18 U.S.C. § 922(g), is a U.S. federal law making it illegal for certain "prohibited persons"—like convicted felons, fugitives, those addicted to controlled substances, or dishonorably discharged veterans—to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. It's a key part of federal firearm law, focusing on who can have guns, establishing categories of people banned from gun ownership, primarily due to past criminal history, mental health issues, or other serious status violations.




Karnal, that's a law written & created by the US Congress.....it is not a Constitutional restriction or specification of the US Constitution itself.

Personally, if a felon committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen or citizens of the United States, again, personally I wouldn't feel that restoring their 2A Rights should ever come to pass.....even if they have become sincerely contrite & served out their criminal sentence/punishment. 

That said, if contrite, done their sentenced time or paid full restitution, & depending on the gravity of their crime(s), if they are determined to be no longer a threat to the general public by the authorities, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't have all their 2A Rights restored in full.  https://i.imgur.com/oAMLT1C.gif




Thanks, Panther.

So if your DL, a convicted felon, was to express contrition and found to be no longer a threat to the general public by the authorities in New York, you'd support him having his 2A Rights restored, would you?

What if he asserted that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and his base would continue to worship him?

Would you support someone like that having their 2A Rights restored?


Without question. President Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying some business records.....victimless crimes.

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Reply #17 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm
 
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.

(In US prisons, inmates retain fundamental constitutional rights, including protection from cruel and unusual punishment (8th Amendment), due process, free exercise of religion, and freedom from discrimination).
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Reply #18 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.



....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


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Reply #19 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:37pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:14pm:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 5:32pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:14pm:
FD wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 4:36pm:
That's a relief, Panther, but I'm curious. What do you have to say about the rights of convicted felons to bear arms?

Constitutionally, I mean.

Thoughts?


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Constitutionally, I mean.


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18 U.S.C. § 922(g), is a U.S. federal law making it illegal for certain "prohibited persons"—like convicted felons, fugitives, those addicted to controlled substances, or dishonorably discharged veterans—to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. It's a key part of federal firearm law, focusing on who can have guns, establishing categories of people banned from gun ownership, primarily due to past criminal history, mental health issues, or other serious status violations.




Karnal, that's a law written & created by the US Congress.....it is not a Constitutional restriction or specification of the US Constitution itself.

Personally, if a felon committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen or citizens of the United States, again, personally I wouldn't feel that restoring their 2A Rights should ever come to pass.....even if they have become sincerely contrite & served out their criminal sentence/punishment. 

That said, if contrite, done their sentenced time or paid full restitution, & depending on the gravity of their crime(s), if they are determined to be no longer a threat to the general public by the authorities, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't have all their 2A Rights restored in full.  https://i.imgur.com/oAMLT1C.gif




Thanks, Panther.

So if your DL, a convicted felon, was to express contrition and found to be no longer a threat to the general public by the authorities in New York, you'd support him having his 2A Rights restored, would you?

What if he asserted that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and his base would continue to worship him?

Would you support someone like that having their 2A Rights restored?


Without question. President Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying some business records.....victimless crimes.



Individuals convicted of a felony in New York lose their right to possess a firearm. State law prohibits gun licenses from being granted to anyone who has ever been convicted of a felony or other serious offense. If a person with a gun license is convicted of a felony, their firearms license will be revoked.

Under New York law, those with felony convictions for violent crimes or Class A1 felonies including possession of stolen property, stalking, prostitution offenses and endangering the welfare of a child are prohibited from receiving a firearm license. Restoration of gun rights is not available.

However, if someone is convicted of a lower-level, nonviolent state felony, they may be able to restore their firearm privileges by obtaining a Certificate of Relief from Disabilities or a Certificate of Good Conduct, issued by the New York State Board of Parole. As each case is unique, the only way to know which certificate restores state and federal firearm rights is to consult an attorney knowledgeable on the subject.


Your DL forfeited his 2A Rights when he chose to defraud his fellow citizens of their right to a free and fair election and let his lawyer Mike take the rap - a three year sentence for election fraud.

So, would you encourage your DL to apply for a Certificate of Relief from Disabilities or a Certificate of Good Conduct, issued by the New York State Board of Parole?

This is the only way he can legally have his 2A Rights restored, as a 34 count felon, convicted by a jury of his peers under the laws of the state of New York.

Do you concur?
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Reply #20 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:49pm
 
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 5:32pm:
if a felon committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen or citizens of the United States, again, personally I wouldn't feel that restoring their 2A Rights should ever come to pass

'the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed'.

You are issued with an infringement notice.
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Reply #21 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:59pm
 
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Reply #22 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:33pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.

(In US prisons, inmates retain fundamental constitutional rights, including protection from cruel and unusual punishment (8th Amendment), due process, free exercise of religion, and freedom from discrimination).


Panther has already covered this article, Chimera  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.

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Personally, if a felon committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen or citizens of the United States, again, personally I wouldn't feel that restoring their 2A Rights should ever come to pass.....even if they have become sincerely contrite & served out their criminal sentence/punishment.


However, for those offenders who's crimes are of a lessor nature - submitting false business statements, omitting to disclose campaign funds and defrauding his fellow citizens of their right to a free and fair election as Panther's president's criminal record shows - Panther contends that such felons should benefit from a review of their 2A Rights at a suitable time, after a period of remorse and with contrition expressed and demonstrated to the accountable authority, in this case the state of New York.

It goes without saying that Panther has no opinion on civil counts, including the torts of bank fraud, charity fraud, defamation and sexual abuse, wrongs of which Panther's prez has been proven legally liable for in over three courts of law, not including appeals, by juries of his president's peers.

It also goes without saying that Panther has no opinion on his 47th president's indictment for false statements and representations, conspiracy to obstruct justice and willful retention of national defense information, a breach of the Espionage Act. Nor does he have a comment on his DL's indictment for conspiring to overturn an election and breaches covered by, but not limited to, the Insurrection Act.

Panther understands, however, that his president's indictment for election racketeering in Georgia prohibits him from carrying, possessing or transporting a firearm under federal law. Panther's prez is still under arrest in the state of Georgia and, if convicted, faces a sentence of five to twenty years.

Panther will never support such a felon, having proven to have committed heinous crimes against a fellow citizen or citizens of the United States, having the right to bear arms, under the laws of his much loved United States of America, one nation under God.

Also, Panther would never support a political candidate indicted for a crime/crimes, having been prosecuted under reasonable cause and arraigned by a court or courts of law. Hell, Panther said, would have to freeze over first. He will never support an indicted suspect.

I trust this puts the matter to rest.

God bless the USA.
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Reply #23 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:42pm
 
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.


Quite correct. He does, and he does.

Constitutionistically, a felon can't lose such a right.  Crims like prisoner DJ Trump, 45 & 47, $6billion, can bear arms in prison, Mar a Lago or the Ball Room.  He has freedom of religion and hand guns.
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Reply #24 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.



....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why do you only quote half the 2nd Amendment, Panther?  It should read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
A well regulated Militia,

The Founding Fathers required the Union to have well-regulated prisons, with felons keeping order using rifles, mortar and star spangled rockets.

The Revolution used large 8-13 inch siege mortars (like the French 10-inch) for fortifications and smaller "hand mortars" used by Hessians for launching grenades.
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Reply #26 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.



....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why do you only quote half the 2nd Amendment, Panther?  It should read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You're correct.....

Why? Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.

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Reply #27 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:53pm
 
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:42pm:
FD wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
  A felon loses his 2A Rights. Panther does not believe they should ever be restored.


Quite correct. He does, and he does.

Constitutionistically, a felon can't lose such a right.  Crims like prisoner DJ Trump, 45 & 47, $6billion, can bear arms in prison, Mar a Lago or the Ball Room.  He has freedom of religion and hand guns.


In prison, the 47th prez has the right to Secret Service protection, which he retains after he leaves Panther's much-loved White House, now in a state of partial demolition.
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Reply #28 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:54pm
 
Felons are excellent at restraining government and prison guards with automatic pistols, with no infringement by Panther.

(The primary concern highlighted in research is prohibited individuals (including potentially incarcerated individuals) purchasing ammo. It's hoped that all restrictions can be lifted)
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Reply #29 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:01pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:43pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:30pm:
chimera wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 6:22pm:
You're out of line, soldier.  You are contrary to the 2nd Amendment.



....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why do you only quote half the 2nd Amendment, Panther?  It should read: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You're correct.....

Why? Simply because Americans are not interested in anything except the actual Right & how the Constitution was meant to restrain government, not 'grant' anything.....it was meant to be a direct order to the government.



Unless the government wishes to arrest and deport your fellow citizens, in which case you may choose to err on the side of caution, granting said government the privilege to suspend your much-loved Constitution via executive order, made by your 47th prez.

God bless the USA.
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