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Dec 17th, 2025 at 8:43am
 
I'm surprised it's taken this long for a conversation to take place about this. Most cop cars in the US have a rifle locked in a cradle that can be accessed by an officer when more firepower is needed than just their service hand gun. Had those Police been given access to such guns prior to yesterday, the death toll may well have been significantly lower.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/bondi-mass-shooting-live-updates-m...
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Reply #1 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:07am
 

Sounds like a good idea.

Lives could have been saved.
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Reply #2 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:14am
 
Better to have one at each station with an officer with training on duty at all times.
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Reply #3 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:47am
 
The Yanks go overboard with armoured trucks to chase car thefts. There are videos of a dozen police cars around one crim, cops with military rifles all pointed at the dude in the wrecked car.
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Reply #4 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:53am
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Better to have one at each station with an officer with training on duty at all times.


No, that’s pointless. Why have them if you’re not going to put them where they are needed. If something happens that necessitates the use of a long gun and the have to wait for it to be retrieved from a station, it’s already too late. If the cops decide to get them then every new officer needs to be trained and proficient in their use and they need to be in every single cop car.
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Reply #5 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:55am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:53am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Better to have one at each station with an officer with training on duty at all times.


No, that’s pointless. Why have them if you’re not going to put them where they are needed. If something happens that necessitates the use of a long gun and the have to wait for it to be retrieved from a station, it’s already too late. If the cops decide to get them then every new officer needs to be trained and proficient in their use and they need to be in every single cop car.



The cops using them have to be well trained and very smart -

if they miss they could hit an innocent person 2 miles away.
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Reply #6 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 10:50am
 
chimera wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:47am:
The Yanks go overboard with armoured trucks to chase car thefts. There are videos of a dozen police cars around one crim, cops with military rifles all pointed at the dude in the wrecked car.



What happens when you live in a fascist police state that is America.
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Reply #7 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 10:52am
 
Marla wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 10:50am:
chimera wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:47am:
The Yanks go overboard with armoured trucks to chase car thefts. There are videos of a dozen police cars around one crim, cops with military rifles all pointed at the dude in the wrecked car.



What happens when you live in a fascist police state that is America.



Marla,
you live in a war zone with mass shootings every day -

we only get one mass shooting every 30 years.
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Reply #8 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 11:57am
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:55am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:53am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Better to have one at each station with an officer with training on duty at all times.


No, that’s pointless. Why have them if you’re not going to put them where they are needed. If something happens that necessitates the use of a long gun and the have to wait for it to be retrieved from a station, it’s already too late. If the cops decide to get them then every new officer needs to be trained and proficient in their use and they need to be in every single cop car.



The cops using them have to be well trained and very smart -

if they miss they could hit an innocent person 2 miles away.


To hit someone two miles away, they'd have to be lying prone on the ground using a ultra high powered sniper rifle like the Barrett M82, which weighs almost 15kg, has a range of almost 2km and can put a bullet through an engine block.
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Reply #9 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 12:02pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 11:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:55am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:53am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Better to have one at each station with an officer with training on duty at all times.


No, that’s pointless. Why have them if you’re not going to put them where they are needed. If something happens that necessitates the use of a long gun and the have to wait for it to be retrieved from a station, it’s already too late. If the cops decide to get them then every new officer needs to be trained and proficient in their use and they need to be in every single cop car.



The cops using them have to be well trained and very smart -

if they miss they could hit an innocent person 2 miles away.


To hit someone two miles away, they'd have to be lying prone on the ground using a ultra high powered sniper rifle like the Barrett M82, which weighs almost 15kg, has a range of almost 2km and can put a bullet through an engine block.



No - even an old .303 from WW1 can fire a bullet 7 miles
if it is fired at 45 degrees.
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Reply #10 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 4:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 12:02pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 11:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:55am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:53am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Better to have one at each station with an officer with training on duty at all times.


No, that’s pointless. Why have them if you’re not going to put them where they are needed. If something happens that necessitates the use of a long gun and the have to wait for it to be retrieved from a station, it’s already too late. If the cops decide to get them then every new officer needs to be trained and proficient in their use and they need to be in every single cop car.



The cops using them have to be well trained and very smart -

if they miss they could hit an innocent person 2 miles away.


To hit someone two miles away, they'd have to be lying prone on the ground using a ultra high powered sniper rifle like the Barrett M82, which weighs almost 15kg, has a range of almost 2km and can put a bullet through an engine block.



No - even an old .303 from WW1 can fire a bullet 7 miles
if it is fired at 45 degrees.


Right...  Huh
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Reply #11 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 4:58pm
 
It's the GUN that's the problem don't yas know.
That's why all Cops, Soldiers and even Farmers are out shooting everyone right now!
It's not Islam!
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Reply #12 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 5:14pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 4:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2025 at 12:02pm:
No - even an old .303 from WW1 can fire a bullet 7 miles
if it is fired at 45 degrees.


Right...  Huh



Looks like I was wrong it's 1.7 miles - still a long way.


Google AI:

The claim that a .303 bullet from a WW1 rifle can travel 7 miles is a myth. The actual maximum range is significantly shorter, typically around 3,000 yards (1.7 miles) for the standard Mark VII ammunition used during that era.
The standard British service rifle during World War I was the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE) Mk III, chambered for the .303 British cartridge.

Key facts about the range of this weapon:
Effective Firing Range: The distance at which a trained soldier could consistently hit a target was around 550 yards (503 meters).

Maximum Firing Range: The absolute farthest distance the bullet could potentially travel (when fired at an optimal angle for maximum distance, such as 45 degrees) was approximately 3,000 yards (about 2,743 meters, or 1.7 miles).

Volley Sights: The SMLE Mk III rifles were fitted with special long-range "volley sights" intended for indirect, company-level barrage fire at ranges out to 2,800 yards, which is consistent with the maximum range of the ammunition.
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Reply #13 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 5:17pm
 
And trained officers would aim at 45º? Wink
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Reply #14 - Dec 17th, 2025 at 5:18pm
 
If China, Mexico and Columbia can get massive shipments of illicit Drugs into this country.
They can surely get semi automatic weapons in as well.
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