Frank wrote on Dec 13
th, 2025 at 10:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 13
th, 2025 at 10:27am:
Frank wrote on Dec 13
th, 2025 at 9:55am:
Christianity has had from the outset, the separation of state and church. Islam has no such doctrine, quite the opposite.
Australia is a culturally Christian country because of its obvious Anglo European history, customs, values. Even the majority of Aborigines are Christian.
Secularism itself is a doctrine that emerged from Christianity, as did things like human rights, freedom of conscience, thought, expression.
None of these exist in Islam, some expressions of such freedoms are even punishable by death under Islam.
Quote:Christianity has had from the outset, the separation of state and church.
One day Frank you will get something right but alas it isn't today.
What did I get wrong here, duckwit?
The separation of state and church is a doctrine based on what Jesus said about God and caesar.
Also note that the doctrine is about the separation of two ORGANISATIONS.
It is not a separation of people and God, or society and culture. It is the separation of human organisations.
If you look at the history of christianity you find nothing but both way interactions between the church and state.
You had cathloicism thrown out of england because they wouldn't let the king divorce and because the church was too politically influential and corrupt.
King Henry VIII created the Church of England (Anglican Church) and threw out the Pope and catholics. The king became the head of the church and church ministers became political officers.
Quote:During the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Pope effectively served as the political leader of the region.[11] The Byzantine Empire continued to be the center of the church in the East.
Quote:Charlemagne was crowned by Pope Leo III as the Emperor of the Romans, establishing a precedent of interdependence of the church with the Carolingian Empire, and eventually, the Holy Roman Empire.
(The pope appointed the king) ???
Quote:Bishops and abbots were not only church leaders, but often also large land-owning princes and thus vassals of secular feudal lords. The line dividing church and state interests was not always clear
Quote:The most notable instances of the church exercising influence over the kingdoms were the Crusades, when it called the Christian kingdoms to arms to fight religious wars. Some Crusades aimed to recover and secure Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims (1095-1291); other Crusades attacked the Cathari (1209-1229), and the Teutonic Knights and their supporters fought against non-Catholics (including Eastern Orthodox Christians) in the Baltic Sea area (1147-1410). In Spain, the Crusader mindset continued for several centuries after the last crusade in the Middle East, in the form of the Reconquista, a series of wars (711-1492) fought to recover the Iberian Peninsula from the Muslim Moors.
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Quote:The Catholic Church is deeply intertwined with the history of European politics. It developed alongside the status of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire and persisted through the Middle Ages as one of the most powerful political forces in Europe. In 2015, Pope Francis stated that Catholics have a duty to participate in politics to improve the world.
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