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Reply #30 - Yesterday at 2:25pm
 
If you don't like facts, that's OK. I'm not a Muslim and am not arguing for anything.
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Reply #31 - Yesterday at 6:58pm
 
Islam can **** off until it shows ANY artistic, literary, musical, humane fruits in the modern world.
It is a degenerate, deadening, ****ed, totalitarian nightmare with ZERO positive contributions to humanity.
Zero. It is the mental equivalent of Maoism, Leninism, wodoo,  fascism. It will kill you for disagreeing with it.
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Reply #32 - Yesterday at 7:04pm
 
What is your opinion about the Muslim faith, Frank?
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Reply #33 - Yesterday at 7:24pm
 
chimera wrote Yesterday at 7:04pm:
What is your opinion about the Muslim faith, Frank?

It is the phantasmagoria of an epileptic, illiterate , priapic blood-thirsty sex maniac pedophile.

I hope I haven't left out anything.

What is YOUR take?


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Reply #34 - Yesterday at 8:02pm
 
Still working on it.  What sort of things did you leave out?
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Reply #35 - Yesterday at 8:11pm
 
chimera wrote Yesterday at 8:02pm:
Still working on it.  What sort of things did you leave out?

You tell me.
You are the one who thinks Islam has any positives, not me.

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Reply #36 - Today at 7:44am
 
'Anglo-Saxon geography, seen in surviving maps like the 10th-century Cottoniana map, depicted a flat, circular world  surrounded by a great ocean, divided into three known continents (Europe, Asia, Africa) and centered on Jerusalem, reflecting a blend of Germanic pagan beliefs and Christian cosmology. While learned figures like Bede knew of the spherical Earth from classical sources, the general populace might have conceptualized it as flat, focusing on their known landmass.'

Columbus sailed because he knew he could reach China westwards. Without Greek knowledge, he would not have sailed. Greek knowledge gave the map of Africa but Portuguese sailors believed they would fall off the edge and turned back to Portugal. So without Islamic Spain, west European history would be greatly different.



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Reply #37 - Today at 8:25am
 
chimera wrote Today at 7:44am:
Columbus sailed because he knew he could reach China westwards. Without Greek knowledge, he would not have sailed. Greek knowledge gave the map of Africa but Portuguese sailors believed they would fall off the edge and turned back to Portugal. So without Islamic Spain, west European history would be greatly different.




It's a myth that, by 1492, anyone thought that the world was flat... Particularly sailors and anyone who lived along the coast who, for millennia, had observed that the first sight of a ship heading to port was the top of its mast.

Why sailors weren't lining up to sail west from Europe wasn't fear of falling off the edge; it was the instinct of self-preservation. Would they reach land?... When would they reach land?.. Where would they be if and when they reach land?... Would they run out of food and water long before they reach land?...

In 1492, steeled courage and blind faith were needed, by the bucketful, in every sailor who signed up for the job.
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Reply #38 - Today at 8:43am
 
If Anglos-Saxons thought the word was flat in the 10th C they changed because of knowledge such as from Islamic Spain.
'Meanwhile, the exploration of the African coast was delayed by the navigational and psychological barrier of Cape Bojador. This barren promontory extended twenty-five miles out into the Atlantic, where great waves crashed and adverse winds and currents made sailing treacherous. Beyond lay the “Green Sea of Darkness” from which no one ever returned. Between 1424 and 1434, Prince Henry sent out fifteen expeditions with orders to round it. Finally, in 1434 or 1435, a squire of Prince Henry’s household, Gil Eanes, sailed past the dreaded cape on his second attempt. His success removed a formidable psychological barrier to exploration, although the cape still remained a serious navigational menace. The conquest of Cape Bojador was probably Prince Henry’s most important contribution to European exploration.'
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/prince-henry-navigator

Greeks had sailed around Africa but Europeans would not have with their world-view.
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Reply #39 - Today at 9:05am
 
chimera wrote Today at 8:43am:
If Anglos-Saxons thought the word was flat in the 10th C they changed because of knowledge such as from Islamic Spain.

Greeks had sailed around Africa but Europeans would not have with their world-view.

They'd changed millennia before the 10th century, because of common sense.

Some cultures did not like sailing the open ocean, not because of the risk of falling off, but largely due to cultural superstitions. For example, the Romans hated travelling by sea. Soldiers and commanders had to overcome their deeply held superstitions before they even attempted to invade Britannia, and they never even bothered to go for Hibernia (Ireland), but not because they didn't know it was there.


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Reply #40 - Today at 9:31am
 
Some problems are covered here:
' In the end it was discovered that by sailing well out to sea—far out of sight of land—a more favorable wind could be picked up.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Bojador
The facts are that myths blocked voyages around Africa. Prince Henry had to keep urging sailors to do what Greeks had done, such as  Hanno the Navigator (Carthaginian, 5th Century BCE) exploring West Africa, and Eudoxus of Cyzicus.
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Reply #41 - Today at 9:54am
 
About 21,000 years ago a group of people from the Solutré region of France, who are characterized historically by their unique lithic technique, migrated to North America along pack ice in the Atlantic Ocean.

That was before Greeks learned how to write and Mohamed was robbing caravans in Arabia.
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Reply #42 - Today at 10:38am
 
Acheulean is from Saint-Acheul, a suburb of Amiens, the capital of the Somme department in Picardy where Acheulean Paleolithic hand-axes were made 900,000-500,000 years ago. Their national song was Acheul u-akbar or 'Acheul is great'. (He was the gr-grandfather of Achilles of Greece who used to say 'I am great' and made Greeks great again).
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Reply #43 - Today at 11:49am
 
The problem is that many of you are confusing civilisation with culture.  All the good bits didn't come from Islamic culture - they all came from the cultures that Islam conquered and not all Islamites were the same in terms of civilisation, with many persisting with barbarity.

Many great things came from the ancient Persians etc... but Islam has perverted those into a myth of some godhead supreme who demands rigid control instead of free thinking.

It's far too complex a set of issues to cover here... just remember - all Islamites are equal but some are more equal than others, and all cultures are equal but many are not up to the same standards.

That'll confuse yez in yer near lack of English comprehension.
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Reply #44 - Today at 12:12pm
 
chimera wrote Yesterday at 8:59am:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 8:38am:
How did Europe destroy Egypt?

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The Fertile Crescent was destroyed by Europeans and not revived.
Egypt.
Persians invaded a weak Egypt, then Greeks, Romans and Eastern Rome occupied Egypt. Byzantine suppression of pagans involved strict anti-pagan laws from the 4th to 6th centuries, banning sacrifices and closing temples, enforced by emperors like Theodosius I, Leo I, and Justinian, who imposed heavy taxes, disbarment, and even death penalties for rituals.  No-one today builds pyramids, Egyptian temples or statues of their gods. Muslims have museums in Egypt to preserve the relics just as Europeans do.

Babylon.
Persians, Greeks and Romans occupied Babylon and it was decayed by the 4th century. For four centuries until Islam, it was under Persian rule who spoke an Indo European language. No-one rebuilt the city or revived its religion, either there or in Europe. The Church of the East (the 'Persian Church' or 'Nestorian Church') had a bishop in Babylon and was opposed to pagans such as Babylonians.

Islam today has oppressive regimes just as the Church and some European regimes were oppressive (and Russia is). Islam doesn't revive the Fertile Crescent cultures but neither did the populations there up to the 7th century, the Europeans to the 7th century or anybody in the world today. Greece and Rome teach knowledge from the region just as Islamic universities do.



The key word you used there is - "WERE"..... what's the reason & why is it acceptable to have a reversion to 1400s fundamentalist oppressive Islamic thinking today? Dickhead
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