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Reply #135 - Yesterday at 8:13pm

Don't you start. India was Western Civilisation?

The impact of Caesar Augustus on Roman trade
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Clothing in ancient Rome

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In the early Empire the Senate passed legislation forbidding the wearing of silk ... A rare luxury cloth with a beautiful golden sheen, known as sea silk, was ...

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Reply #136 - Yesterday at 8:16pm

chimera wrote Yesterday at 8:13pm:

Don't you start. India was Western Civilisation?

The impact of Caesar Augustus on Roman trade
ScholarWorks @ UTRGV
https://scholarworks.utrgv.edu › cgi › viewcontent
PDF
by WE Wilson · 2010 — By the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Augustus' successor), edicts were passed in the. Senate to prevent the purchase of silks in an attempt to stop, or at least ...
Chapter 9 Foreign Silk on Roman Bodies: Gender, Wealth ...
Brill
https://brill.com › display › book
7 Oct 2022 — To the senators one habit was particularly irksome: Roman men wearing silk. They decided to outlaw the practice. According to Tacitus they did ...
Clothing in ancient Rome

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Clothing_in_ancient_R...
In the early Empire the Senate passed legislation forbidding the wearing of silk ... A rare luxury cloth with a beautiful golden sheen, known as sea silk, was ...

All that is true... And it went for artefacts, pepper and other spices too...

But it all came from India. Not China.

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Reply #137 - Yesterday at 8:22pm

Some Romans thought that Chinese silk was made in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

However, this proves that China is the West.
(Although India is south, it really is moving north about 5cm /year and so it is West. Antarctica never is).
The Himlayas rise about 2cm / year but has nothing to do with the West.

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Reply #138 - Yesterday at 8:28pm

chimera wrote Yesterday at 8:22pm:

Some Romans thought that Chinese silk was made in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

However, this proves that China is the West.

Most Romans had no idea where it came from, other than the east.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Road:_How_Ancient_India_Transformed_the...

There was not even a 'China' in Roman times... For that matter, there wasn't an 'India' either... trade with the Roman Empire was with the western kingdoms and principalities of the Indian subcontinent...

Having said that, the Romans traded with ethnic groups from the Indian subcontinent.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13357 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australian national and cultural identity Reply #139 - Yesterday at 8:32pm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 54188 Gender:	Re: Australian national and cultural identity Reply #140 - Yesterday at 8:36pm Then the whole western thing fell to pieces when the Americas were discovered 'further West'.
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Reply #141 - Yesterday at 8:47pm

chimera wrote Yesterday at 8:32pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.

Hordes of Roman gold coins have been discovered in India... a few have been discovered in China.

The most ancient form of Christianity outside the Middle East survived along India's west coast, having been introduced there in the 1st century by Middle Easterners travelling on Indian trading ships.

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Reply #142 - Yesterday at 9:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 8:47pm:

chimera wrote Yesterday at 8:32pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.

Hordes of Roman gold coins have been discovered in India... a few have been discovered in China.

The most ancient form of Christianity outside the Middle East survived along India's west coast, having been introduced there in the 1st century by Middle Easterners travelling on Indian trading ships.

Muslim loot.

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Reply #143 - Yesterday at 9:44pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 9:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 8:47pm:

chimera wrote Yesterday at 8:32pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.

Hordes of Roman gold coins have been discovered in India... a few have been discovered in China.

The most ancient form of Christianity outside the Middle East survived along India's west coast, having been introduced there in the 1st century by Middle Easterners travelling on Indian trading ships.

Muslim loot.

Missed it by 600 years...

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