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Reply #135 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:13pm

Don't you start. India was Western Civilisation?

The impact of Caesar Augustus on Roman trade
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Clothing in ancient Rome

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In the early Empire the Senate passed legislation forbidding the wearing of silk ... A rare luxury cloth with a beautiful golden sheen, known as sea silk, was ...

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Reply #136 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:16pm

chimera wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:13pm:

Don't you start. India was Western Civilisation?

The impact of Caesar Augustus on Roman trade
ScholarWorks @ UTRGV
https://scholarworks.utrgv.edu › cgi › viewcontent
PDF
by WE Wilson · 2010 — By the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Augustus' successor), edicts were passed in the. Senate to prevent the purchase of silks in an attempt to stop, or at least ...
Chapter 9 Foreign Silk on Roman Bodies: Gender, Wealth ...
Brill
https://brill.com › display › book
7 Oct 2022 — To the senators one habit was particularly irksome: Roman men wearing silk. They decided to outlaw the practice. According to Tacitus they did ...
Clothing in ancient Rome

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Clothing_in_ancient_R...
In the early Empire the Senate passed legislation forbidding the wearing of silk ... A rare luxury cloth with a beautiful golden sheen, known as sea silk, was ...

All that is true... And it went for artefacts, pepper and other spices too...

But it all came from India. Not China.

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Reply #137 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:22pm

Some Romans thought that Chinese silk was made in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

However, this proves that China is the West.
(Although India is south, it really is moving north about 5cm /year and so it is West. Antarctica never is).
The Himlayas rise about 2cm / year but has nothing to do with the West.

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Reply #138 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:28pm

chimera wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:22pm:

Some Romans thought that Chinese silk was made in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

However, this proves that China is the West.

Most Romans had no idea where it came from, other than the east.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Road:_How_Ancient_India_Transformed_the...

There was not even a 'China' in Roman times... For that matter, there wasn't an 'India' either... trade with the Roman Empire was with the western kingdoms and principalities of the Indian subcontinent...

Having said that, the Romans traded with ethnic groups from the Indian subcontinent.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13392 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australian national and cultural identity Reply #139 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:32pm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54200 Gender:	Re: Australian national and cultural identity Reply #140 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:36pm Then the whole western thing fell to pieces when the Americas were discovered 'further West'.
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Reply #141 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:47pm

chimera wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:32pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.

Hordes of Roman gold coins have been discovered in India... a few have been discovered in China.

The most ancient form of Christianity outside the Middle East survived along India's west coast, having been introduced there in the 1st century by Middle Easterners travelling on Indian trading ships.

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Reply #142 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 9:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:47pm:

chimera wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:32pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.

Hordes of Roman gold coins have been discovered in India... a few have been discovered in China.

The most ancient form of Christianity outside the Middle East survived along India's west coast, having been introduced there in the 1st century by Middle Easterners travelling on Indian trading ships.

Muslim loot.

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Reply #143 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 9:44pm

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 9:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:47pm:

chimera wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:32pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
They sailed south, left a bit, down then go east.

Hordes of Roman gold coins have been discovered in India... a few have been discovered in China.

The most ancient form of Christianity outside the Middle East survived along India's west coast, having been introduced there in the 1st century by Middle Easterners travelling on Indian trading ships.

Muslim loot.

Missed it by 600 years...

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Reply #144 - Yesterday at 6:25am

The Fertile Crescent was destroyed by Europeans and not revived.
Egypt.
Persians invaded a weak Egypt, then Greeks, Romans and Eastern Rome occupied Egypt. Byzantine suppression of pagans involved strict anti-pagan laws from the 4th to 6th centuries, banning sacrifices and closing temples, enforced by emperors like Theodosius I, Leo I, and Justinian, who imposed heavy taxes, disbarment, and even death penalties for rituals. No-one today builds pyramids, Egyptian temples or statues of their gods. Muslims have museums in Egypt to preserve the relics just as Europeans do.

Babylon.
Persians, Greeks and Romans occupied Babylon and it was decayed by the 4th century. For four centuries until Islam, it was under Persian rule who spoke an Indo European language. No-one rebuilt the city or revived its religion, either there or in Europe. The Church of the East (the 'Persian Church' or 'Nestorian Church') had a bishop in Babylon and was opposed to pagans such as Babylonians.

Islam today has oppressive regimes just as the Church and some European regimes were oppressive (and Russia is). Islam doesn't revive the Fertile Crescent cultures but neither did the populations there up to the 7th century, the Europeans to the 7th century or anybody in the world today. Greece and Rome teach knowledge from the region just as Islamic universities do.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32413 Gender:	Re: Australian national and cultural identity Reply #145 - Yesterday at 7:50am John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 10:44am: Gnads wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 9:24am: Long enough phucktard - to see the shyte the place will turn into with your ilk at the helm. You don't have to be if you don't like it Neither do you - feel free.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32413 Gender:	Re: Australian national and cultural identity Reply #146 - Yesterday at 7:51am chimera wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 10:50am: Very good. And irrelevant to the topic. Again. Yes you know all about irrelevance & fantasy.
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Reply #147 - Yesterday at 7:57am

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

chimera wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 11:43am:

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 11:37am:

Intellectual interaction between Arabs and the Latin West was minimal to non-existent, with very few isolated exemptions.

OK but the quotes and facts about transferring texts say the opposite.

AI generated from farcebook pages and muslim authors.

As ususal, Muslims are making HUGE, OUTLANDISHLY HUGE claims for Islam. Most of it is complete nonsense, like the Koran.

Like the descendants of a certain stone age hunter gather demographic, along with it's white woke supporters are doing in Australia today.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13392 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australian national and cultural identity Reply #148 - Yesterday at 8:26am What history of Islamic Spain is wrong? Are the European historians all wrong and are fd and Gonads the only correct academics?
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Reply #149 - Yesterday at 8:37am

Frank wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 11:37am:

A lot of those ancient Greek texts were lost to the West because of the Muslim conquest of the Greek speaking Eastern Roman empire.

No. The Christian Byzantine Emperor Justinian I did that.

Justinian closed the Academy of Plato in 529, which had survived for over 900 years since its founding by Plato himself in 387, and banned all books that contradicted or challenged Christian orthodoxy, including the works of Plato and Aristotle. Most survived in Arabia, and the Islamicized Arabs preserved them for nearly 800 years, until their reintroduction into Europe during the Renaissance.

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