freediver wrote Today at 1:26pm:

You do mean it. The West was in the Middle East. Europe is on the edge of the Western world of the Arabs and Africans. Four hundred years after Rome fell, Islam made Rome fall (which was in Arab lands).
whew.....

Frank wrote Today at 1:29pm:

https://www.britannica.com/science/physical-science/Islamic-and-medieval-science

You can see the Arab wogs who push the Muslim propaganda.
https://www.britannica.com/editor/The-Editors-of-Encyclopaedia-Britannica/4419

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For one, Ian Morris. The historian who produced that graph I posted.



But you should start with wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture#History

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chimera wrote Today at 2:29pm:



Multiculturalism.

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They were western civilisation. The "west" didn't magically emerge from a bunch of clever european hunter gatherers a few centuries ago at the start of the industrial revolution. It has been developing very slowly since farming started in earnest in the middle east about 10000 years ago.

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Same answer to the last time you asked.

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Rape. Pillage. Slaughter. Oppression. Basically, what Muhammad did to the previously multicultural society of Mecca and surrounds, expanded over nearly all of western civilisation. The term I used was "locked in". Civilisation has a habit of re-emerging from the ashes. It is very difficult to destroy. The destruction of the Roman Empire was not necessarily the same thing as the destruction of western civilisation. Same with all the previous civilisations in Egypt and further east that collapsed and sprang up again. They did not re-invent the wheel every single time, and just happen to do it bigger and better. People remember and do it all again on a grander scale. Unless something like Islam comes along and doesn't let it.

That's why the European fringe was able to build on what they inherited from Rome and all the previous civilisations. It inevitably inherited much of the knowledge, culture etc during Roman occupation, but escaped the degradation of Islam. Many Americans today still throw the word "republic" around with more reverence than the word democracy. This is not because the Muslims failed to destroy every copy of The Odyssey and allowed the Europeans to get hold of a copy. It's because their ancestors were ruled by Rome and spent centuries marvelling at the infrastructure left behind by them, which piqued their interest in how the Romans managed to create such a grand empire, and their ability to relate to the efforts of the early Romans (and Greeks etc) to avoid being ruled by tyrants.

chimera wrote Today at 4:55pm:


You are getting confused because when I say western, you hear european. They are two different words, with different meanings. As I already explained, your confusion is actually evidence of the degradations of Islam. You cannot even think of the middle east and north africa as western civilisation, even though for about 8000 years they were the center of western civilisation and the most advanced civilisation on earth, because you cannot reconcile that history with the degradation you see there today. It is all gone.

China's silk influenced Roman clothing for which Rome expended gold, despite the Senate's objection. China in that way became part of the West. South America influenced Europe with tobacco, chocolate and tomatos and so the Amerindians were Western civilisation. The west eats rice and throws boomerangs and so.....

(However, Islamic promotion of the Renaissance has no connection at all. Australia follows Babylonian traditions, as freediver can explain). It was Arabic like freediver, pronounced Fari id-Aifa

chimera wrote Today at 5:25pm:

Ah.... no... that was India.