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Are they experiencing Envy or Jealousy
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It's always been intriguing to me as to whether
The lefty intellectuals    Happened to be experiencing jealousy or envy towards the big fella

But I read a very interesting article which explained the difference

Envy would be that they would like to have power , fame ,cash, a hot wife, millions of people listening to them and a lot of influence in The world .

Jealousy would be that they would also want the same things for themselves. BUT CRUCIALLY they don't want the object of their envy to have them
His or her happiness and achievements must be destroyed .

So jealousy is a more hateful spiteful emotion.

From my study of the leftie intellectuals , I think we can say that they nearly all.operate from jealousy.

Getting their desires satisfied is nowhere near enough
They want to see others who they have never met destroyed.

A lot of this probably comes from childhood trauma and  victim.identity.

Maybe we can start to heal the leftie intellectuals by acknowledging their real.pain and giving them a hug

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Reply #1 - Yesterday at 9:17am
 
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 8:12am:
Maybe we can start to heal the leftie intellectuals by acknowledging their real.pain and giving them a hug


It's not the "leftie intellectuals" who need a hug, it's the kids and young people who are homeless or living in families experiencing entrenched social disadvantage, while governments - following mainstream economic ideology re 'balanced budgets' - are forced to impose austerity which maintains the social disadvantage. 

Catch-22

Governments need to raise taxes to fund vital public services (including public housing, in a housing unaffordability crisis), but governments need to reduce taxes to get elected.

"Leftie intellectuals" need to solve that dilemma, because  Rabid Right 'survival of the fittest' deplorables (whether 'intellectual' or not) don't even admit there is a problem.



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Reply #2 - Yesterday at 9:27am
 
Dear divide.

If the lefties were envious, they would study success and try to emulate it.
For example, they would have 100s of threads getting behind the next democrat candidate.
They would be laser focused on that person and having him or her be all he could be.

To aspire to replace Trump and get what he has .
The competitive frame.
This brings out the best in people, excellence, grit determination.

Instead. Say on this sub forum. I can find nothing about who the next democrat even is.
No positive narrative.
Just hate for Trump and leave it at that.

The downfall of Trump is the only concern, no aspiration but to destroy someone.
Why not simply out frame him by offering something superior.
Yet they offer nothing.

Very negative and very victim based and stuck and helpless.
Like your narrative.

If there are homeless people , get off your ass, create a business and go help.
What's stopping you but your own limiting beliefs and success barriers
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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 9:33am
 
Re the 'Catch-22' tax dilemma facing governments:

From prof. Steve Keen - a leftie intellectual who doesn't need a hug:

<<Conventional economics still teaches a fairy tale about how banks create money – and it collapses the moment you enforce real accounting.​​

Here is the proof - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEVI9UDKnQ

In this new video, a live reconstruction of the textbook “money multiplier” is done line-by-line in double-entry form and it is shown why it only works if every loan is handed out in cash.​​

Here is what is covered:​

Why the textbook fractional-reserve story fails as soon as you try to book “reserves down, deposits up” without bringing cash into the picture.​

How Ravel’s double-entry engine exposes basic accounting errors in George Selgin’s defence of the standard model.​

Why ignoring banks, money and debt has left mainstream economists giving bad guidance on government spending and financial stability.​

How understanding real bank money creation changes the way you think about “can the government afford it?” in modern politics.​​

See the full step‑by‑step demolition of the money multiplier here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEVI9UDKnQ

Best,

Steve​

P.S. If you have ever wondered whether your bank actually has “your money” in the vault, this is the video to watch.>>
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Reply #4 - Yesterday at 10:05am
 
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 9:27am:
Dear divide.

If the lefties were envious, they would study success and try to emulate it.


You were talking about (envious? or jealous?) "leftie intellectuals".

In the post above, prof. Steve Keen - who is neither envious or jealous - has outlined the REAL cause of political and economic dysfunction, as opposed to your 'successful superior man' fantasies. 


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For example, they would have 100s of threads getting behind the next democrat candidate.
They would be laser focused on that person and having him or her be all he could be.


OK,  so now you are not talking about 'leftie intellectuals', but ordinary people who need to succeed - despite the current Neoclassical mainstream economic orthodoxy which is rendering governments incapable of proper macro-economic management.

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To aspire to replace Trump and get what he has .
The competitive frame.
This brings out the best in people, excellence, grit determination.

Instead. Say on this sub forum. I can find nothing about who the next democrat even is.
No positive narrative.
Just hate for Trump and leave it at that.


Mamdani?

Extremely positive, capable and charismatic - a 'superior man' and a "communist" to boot, who even Trump has decided it would be smart to praise....

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The downfall of Trump is the only concern, no aspiration but to destroy someone.
Why not simply out frame him by offering something superior.
Yet they offer nothing.


Yes,  the ordinary voter who knows nothing of economics - which is why society is splitting - will either hate or love Trump, whether or not  envy plays a role. 

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Very negative and very victim based and stuck and helpless.
Like your narrative.


Can you please state where my, or Keen's,  observations are "very negative", citing specific samples from what Keen or I have written in this thread?

Quote:
If there are homeless people , get off your ass, create a business and go help.
What's stopping you but your own limiting beliefs and success barriers


The macro-economy;  houses and rents  are now too expensive for average wage earners. Note: affordable housing and personal space is a prerequisite for creating a business  or landing a job.
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Reply #5 - Yesterday at 10:05am
 
thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 9:33am:
Re the 'Catch-22' tax dilemma facing governments:

From prof. Steve Keen - a leftie intellectual who doesn't need a hug:

<<Conventional economics still teaches a fairy tale about how banks create money – and it collapses the moment you enforce real accounting.​​

Here is the proof - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEVI9UDKnQ

In this new video, a live reconstruction of the textbook “money multiplier” is done line-by-line in double-entry form and it is shown why it only works if every loan is handed out in cash.​​

Here is what is covered:​

Why the textbook fractional-reserve story fails as soon as you try to book “reserves down, deposits up” without bringing cash into the picture.​

How Ravel’s double-entry engine exposes basic accounting errors in George Selgin’s defence of the standard model.​

Why ignoring banks, money and debt has left mainstream economists giving bad guidance on government spending and financial stability.​

How understanding real bank money creation changes the way you think about “can the government afford it?” in modern politics.​​

See the full step‑by‑step demolition of the money multiplier here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEVI9UDKnQ

Best,

Steve​

P.S. If you have ever wondered whether your bank actually has “your money” in the vault, this is the video to watch.>>



Zimbabwe's peak month of inflation is estimated at 79.6 billion percent month-on-month, 89.7 sextillion (8.97 × 10 22{\displaystyle 8.97\times 10^{22}}) percent year-on-year in mid-November 2008.[1] At that time, a $100 trillion bill could not pay for a simple bus fare.


Why?

Entirely bacause of government policies. What motivated those policies? Jealousy, envy, rancour, delusions of adequacy.


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Reply #6 - Yesterday at 10:11am
 
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 8:12am:
It's always been intriguing to me as to whether
The lefty intellectuals    Happened to be experiencing jealousy or envy towards the big fella

But I read a very interesting article which explained the difference

Envy would be that they would like to have power , fame ,cash, a hot wife, millions of people listening to them and a lot of influence in The world .

Jealousy would be that they would also want the same things for themselves. BUT CRUCIALLY they don't want the object of their envy to have them
His or her happiness and achievements must be destroyed .

So jealousy is a more hateful spiteful emotion.

From my study of the leftie intellectuals , I think we can say that they nearly all.operate from jealousy.

Getting their desires satisfied is nowhere near enough
They want to see others who they have never met destroyed.

A lot of this probably comes from childhood trauma and  victim.identity.

Maybe we can start to heal the leftie intellectuals by acknowledging their real.pain and giving them a hug



This is an obvious troll by horseboy, but here goes.
A 34 times convicted felon
Banned from operating any charity after stealing $2 million.
26 accusations of sexual assault.
Found libel for sexual assualt in civil court, costing him $80 million.
Twice smacking the US economy, too dumb to learn from history.
Worst president in history, twice.
Impeached, twice, with more to come  Grin
I could go on and on detailing trumps "accomplisments" but surely theres enough in that list to say,
What is there to be jealous of?
Envy?
Envy what ?
A hot wife, already got one.
Money, already made my money, sitting back in retirement very satisfied with my lot in life.

As for you studying "leftie intellectuals" its never happened, no leftie intellectual would spend more than 3 mins talking to you before walking away shaking their head and wondering how you escaped getting a darwin award.
Talk about deluded.

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Reply #7 - Yesterday at 10:40am
 
Frank wrote Yesterday at 10:05am:
thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 9:33am:
Re the 'Catch-22' tax dilemma facing governments:

From prof. Steve Keen - a leftie intellectual who doesn't need a hug:

<<Conventional economics still teaches a fairy tale about how banks create money – and it collapses the moment you enforce real accounting.​​

Here is the proof - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEVI9UDKnQ

In this new video, a live reconstruction of the textbook “money multiplier” is done line-by-line in double-entry form and it is shown why it only works if every loan is handed out in cash.​​

Here is what is covered:​

Why the textbook fractional-reserve story fails as soon as you try to book “reserves down, deposits up” without bringing cash into the picture.​

How Ravel’s double-entry engine exposes basic accounting errors in George Selgin’s defence of the standard model.​

Why ignoring banks, money and debt has left mainstream economists giving bad guidance on government spending and financial stability.​

How understanding real bank money creation changes the way you think about “can the government afford it?” in modern politics.​​

See the full step‑by‑step demolition of the money multiplier here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEVI9UDKnQ

Best,

Steve​

P.S. If you have ever wondered whether your bank actually has “your money” in the vault, this is the video to watch.>>



(...... Zimbabwe's hyperinflation episode)

Why?

Entirely bacause of government policies. What motivated those policies? Jealousy, envy, rancour, delusions of adequacy.


Incredible confusion from an economic illiterate.

The "jealousy" of black Zimbabweans was rooted in white colonialism which eventually resulted in white farmers being successful amid black poverty.

The hyperinflation caused by the black government's  confiscation of white farm-lands (previously stolen from the natives) was specific to Zimbabwe, do try to keep up.

Whereas the current enforced government 'austerity' we are witnessing around the world, which is wrecking democratic cohesion, is the fault of erroneous Neoclassical 'balanced government budget' orthodoxy.

You have been captured by that false economic orthodoxy, because you have to balance your own household budget.

But currency-issuing governments with a treasury don't need to "earn" money or 'balance a budget', they need to avoid inflation by managing available resources.

 

 
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Reply #8 - Yesterday at 12:54pm
 
Venezuela began experiencing continuous and uninterrupted inflation in 1983, with double-digit annual inflation rates. Inflation rates became the highest in the world by 2014 under President Nicolás Maduro, and continued to increase in the following years, with inflation exceeding 1,000,000% by 2018. In comparison to previous hyperinflationary episodes, the ongoing hyperinflation crisis is more severe than those of Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Nicaragua, and Peru in the 1980s and 1990s, and that of Zimbabwe in the late-2000s.

In 2014, the annual inflation rate reached 69%,[4] the highest in the world.[5][6] In 2015, the inflation rate was 181%, again the highest in the world and the highest in the country's history at the time.[7][8] The rate reached 800% in 2016,[9] over 4,000% in 2017,[10][11][12][13] and about 1,700,000% in 2018,[14] and reaching 2,000,000%, with Venezuela spiraling into hyperinflation.[15] While the Venezuelan government "had essentially stopped" producing official inflation estimates as of early 2018, inflation economist Steve Hanke estimated the rate at that time to be 5,220%.[16] The Central Bank of Venezuela (BCV) officially estimates that the inflation rate increased to 53,798,500% between 2016 and April 2019.[17] In April 2019, the International Monetary Fund estimated that inflation would reach 10,000,000% by the end of 2019.[18] Several economic controls were lifted by Maduro administration in 2019, which helped to partially tame inflation until May 2020.[19]

In December 2021, economists and the Central Bank of Venezuela announced that in the first quarter of 2022, Venezuela would reach more than 12 months with monthly inflation below 50% after more than four years of a hyperinflationary cycle. This would technically indicate its exit from hyperinflation, but the consequences would remain.




Causes? Government policies.

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Reply #9 - Yesterday at 12:55pm
 
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 8:12am:
It's always been intriguing to me as to whether
The lefty intellectuals    Happened to be experiencing jealousy or envy towards the big fella

But I read a very interesting article which explained the difference

Envy would be that they would like to have power , fame ,cash, a hot wife, millions of people listening to them and a lot of influence in The world .

Jealousy would be that they would also want the same things for themselves. BUT CRUCIALLY they don't want the object of their envy to have them
His or her happiness and achievements must be destroyed .

So jealousy is a more hateful spiteful emotion.

From my study of the leftie intellectuals , I think we can say that they nearly all.operate from jealousy.

Getting their desires satisfied is nowhere near enough
They want to see others who they have never met destroyed.

A lot of this probably comes from childhood trauma and  victim.identity.

Maybe we can start to heal the leftie intellectuals by acknowledging their real.pain and giving them a hug



Modern classic right wing, innit.
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Reply #10 - Yesterday at 12:58pm
 
Karnal wrote Yesterday at 12:55pm:
Modern classic right wing, innit.



That's Sprinty, pre his rapid onset TDS.



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Reply #11 - Yesterday at 1:03pm
 
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 9:27am:
Dear divide.

If the lefties were envious, they would study success and try to emulate it.
For example, they would have 100s of threads getting behind the next democrat candidate.
They would be laser focused on that person and having him or her be all he could be.

To aspire to replace Trump and get what he has .
The competitive frame.
This brings out the best in people, excellence, grit determination.

Instead. Say on this sub forum. I can find nothing about who the next democrat even is.
No positive narrative.
Just hate for Trump and leave it at that.

The downfall of Trump is the only concern, no aspiration but to destroy someone.
Why not simply out frame him by offering something superior.
Yet they offer nothing.

Very negative and very victim based and stuck and helpless.
Like your narrative.

If there are homeless people , get off your ass, create a business and go help.
What's stopping you but your own limiting beliefs and success barriers


He's right, Great. If you're homeless, you can start an awesome business. Maybe start small - cigarette butts, perhaps - and work your way up. Before long, you'll be buying and selling casinos, building fabulous skyscrapers and have your own hit reality TV show.

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen, no?
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Reply #12 - Yesterday at 2:07pm
 
Karnal wrote Yesterday at 1:03pm:
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 9:27am:
Dear divide.

If the lefties were envious, they would study success and try to emulate it.
For example, they would have 100s of threads getting behind the next democrat candidate.
They would be laser focused on that person and having him or her be all he could be.

To aspire to replace Trump and get what he has .
The competitive frame.
This brings out the best in people, excellence, grit determination.

Instead. Say on this sub forum. I can find nothing about who the next democrat even is.
No positive narrative.
Just hate for Trump and leave it at that.

The downfall of Trump is the only concern, no aspiration but to destroy someone.
Why not simply out frame him by offering something superior.
Yet they offer nothing.

Very negative and very victim based and stuck and helpless.
Like your narrative.

If there are homeless people , get off your ass, create a business and go help.
What's stopping you but your own limiting beliefs and success barriers


He's right, Great. If you're homeless, you can start an awesome business. Maybe start small - cigarette butts, perhaps - and work your way up. Before long, you'll be buying and selling casinos, building fabulous skyscrapers and have your own hit reality TV show.

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen, no?




Very poor comprehension. The message was for successful people with money and a hot wife such as scope to get off their ass and go help
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Aquascoot tells us bullshit and lies.  He is a troll of the worst kind.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Yesterday at 2:33pm
 
Karnal wrote Yesterday at 1:03pm:
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 9:27am:
Dear divide.

If the lefties were envious, they would study success and try to emulate it.
For example, they would have 100s of threads getting behind the next democrat candidate.
They would be laser focused on that person and having him or her be all he could be.

To aspire to replace Trump and get what he has .
The competitive frame.
This brings out the best in people, excellence, grit determination.

Instead. Say on this sub forum. I can find nothing about who the next democrat even is.
No positive narrative.
Just hate for Trump and leave it at that.

The downfall of Trump is the only concern, no aspiration but to destroy someone.
Why not simply out frame him by offering something superior.
Yet they offer nothing.

Very negative and very victim based and stuck and helpless.
Like your narrative.

If there are homeless people , get off your ass, create a business and go help.
What's stopping you but your own limiting beliefs and success barriers


He's right, Great. If you're homeless, you can start an awesome business. Maybe start small - cigarette butts, perhaps - and work your way up. Before long, you'll be buying and selling casinos, building fabulous skyscrapers and have your own hit reality TV show.

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen, no?



SIlly grimacing old trouser-snake wrestler, you no speaka, eh?



"Divide, get off you arse, create a business and help the homeless - rather than kvetch endlessly like a ****ing Negative Nigel. WHat is stopping you from actually helping instead of just tearing down?"

That is the meaning of what you highlighted, paki.



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