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Reply #30 - Yesterday at 11:05am
 
You both say that.
You both say that as if Yellow people don't know what's best for them.
You see Japan.
They see Nihon.

Trust me. The CCP will not be around within 50 years.
The Nationals from Taiwan WILL.  Wink
Though they really should leave Mongolia alone.

But, hey. I did say China will invade Russia (and India) for over a decade now. Especially when the USA has removed itself as the justified threat.
The CCP is designed to deal with hostility. Not 'peace'.
That FD & Yadda is the missing scale in the Chinese Dragon's 🐉 armour.

JaSin knows.

Now tell me why China is well received in Oceania next door, even more so than Australia is?

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Reply #31 - Yesterday at 11:09am
 
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Now tell me why China is well received in Oceania next door, even more so than Australia is?


They give them more money. But money can't buy you love.

Are you saying that to avoid war, China should occupy Taiwan so that the Taiwanese democrats can overthrow the CCP?
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Reply #32 - Yesterday at 11:22am
 
Bingo! You got it FD. Well done.
Makes you wanna watch my cuz Russell in the movie Gladiator and see how the ROC will defeat the CCP from within...
...and the only way to get in close from within, is to peacefully submit in servitude to start with. Remember. It's all about saving face.  Wink

Now. Did you see me outside the Chinese embassy with a big sign  wishing Xi a "Happy Birthday" in mandarins nailed to it?
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Reply #33 - Yesterday at 12:38pm
 
...let Gollum CCP have his 'preciousss' Taiwan... in the end.
The West needs to let it go.

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Reply #34 - Yesterday at 1:38pm
 
It's odd that all the lefties take issue with applying this concept to Jews, but not Asians.
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Reply #35 - Yesterday at 3:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 19th, 2025 at 12:02pm:
The vast majority of Taiwan's citizens want Taiwan to (continue to be) independent of China.


Vast majority?

Yet:

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/26/g-s1-79704/taiwanese-voters-reject-a-bid-to-remov...

26 July 2025 — The independence-leaning ruling Democratic Progressive Party won the last presidential election, but the China-friendly Nationalists (KMT) and the Taiwan Workers Party won the recent 'recall elections':

Taiwanese voters rejected a DPP bid to oust about one-fifth of lawmakers, all from the opposition Nationalist Party, in a recall election Saturday, dampening hopes for the ruling party to flip the balance of power in the self-ruled island's legislature.

The independence-leaning ruling Democratic Progressive Party won last year's presidential election, but the China-friendly Nationalists, also known as the KMT, and the smaller Taiwan People's Party have enough seats to form a majority bloc.


......

You can see why the pro-independence DPP 'freedom or death' morons want to get rid of the more pragmatic members of parliament who want peace with the mainland and therefore don't support  'Taiwan independence'.

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Unlike China, Taiwan is a democracy and the citizens are allowed to inform themselves, criticise the government and openly debate the issue. They are not constantly spoonfed lies by the government like the citizens of China have to put up with.


Says the narrative from another 'freedom - or death'! ideologue who won't do the dying (hopefully...) when the DPP tries to assert it's "freedom", ie, independence from the mainland. 

Meanwhile most mainlanders  are horrified by the fake 'freedom' of  blind-leading-the-blind 'democracy',  after seeing the Capitol riots in the US. 

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The international community is increasingly supporting Taiwan's continued independence.


Said 'independence' not recognised by the UN? You are confused.

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However, China still claims Taiwan as part of it's territory. Some Taiwanese even claim China as part of Taiwan's territory. Obviously, neither of these views reflect the current reality.


Resulting in a sovereignty stalemate, so long as the US supports the DPP goons, on ideological grounds. 

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Should China recognise the current reality that Taiwan is an independent nation with a political system that is incompatible with China's, making it virtually impossible to peacefully unite the nations with the support of Taiwan's people?


No.

Political systems are really only confused systems resulting from dysfunctional economic systems ("it's the economy, stupid"); hence the political chaos in most democracies around the world today. 

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The alternative, continuing to claim that Taiwan is part of China, is seen as a imperialist threat that heightens military tensions in the region and abroad.


..ie, as seen by 'freedom or death''/survival of the fittest/free-market ideologues. 

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The only foreseeable way that China and Taiwan could be peacefully re-united into a single country is if China itself became a democracy - which may well happen, though the current CCP regime sees democracy as a dirty word, even though the CCP is internally democratic. Just one example of the impenetrable hypocrisy and spin of the CCP.


Hey....congratulations: an intelligent comment at last; indeed  "the CCP is internally democratic", and appreciated by the vast majority of mainlanders (c.90%, according to a Harvard poll) who in fact have a favourable opnion of their central government,  unlike the view of the electors in democracies who are split into numerous contending interests, and forced to elect unstable governments despised by more than half the population, eg Labor only gained 30% of the primary vote in the last election, yet it's governing with a huge majority in the HoR.     
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Reply #36 - Yesterday at 3:55pm
 
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Vast majority?


Yes. I provided a link in case you were confused.

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but the China-friendly Nationalists (KMT) and the Taiwan Workers Party won the recent 'recall elections'


LOL. I see you share the CCP's capacity for self delusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang

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As the KMT supports the ROC as the only representative of China, it opposes both Chinese unification under the PRC and formal Taiwan independence.


What do you think that means, little pink?
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Reply #37 - Yesterday at 4:00pm
 

TGD,
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"the CCP is internally democratic", and appreciated by the vast majority of mainlanders (c.90%, according to a Harvard poll) who in fact have a favourable opnion of their central government,  unlike the view of the electors in democracies who are split into numerous contending interests, and forced to elect unstable governments despised by more than half the population, eg Labor only gained 30% of the primary vote in the last election, yet it's governing with a huge majority in the HoR.   
 



Dear TGD,
are you now or have you ever been a member of the CCP?

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Reply #38 - Yesterday at 4:25pm
 
Are you Bobby a member of the archaic Westernism like the USA which rejected Great Britain (the Holy Grail) to adopt the mainland European powers of Politics like Germany (did), France, Italy, Greece, etc?
...didn't work out for Germany now did it?
France is about to fail.
Might explain why Confederation failed in USA.
Why Democracy is failing.
...and why Nations around the world just don't trust the USA or accept it as the 'true political' in which to follow.
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Reply #39 - Yesterday at 4:28pm
 
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 4:25pm:
Are you Bobby a member of the archaic Westernism like the USA which rejected Great Britain (the Holy Grail) to adopt the mainland European powers of Politics like Germany (did), France, Italy, Greece, etc?
...didn't work out for Germany now did it?
France is about to fail.
Might explain why Confederation failed in USA.
Why Democracy is failing.
...and why Nations around the world just don't trust the USA or accept it as the 'true political' in which to follow.



My problem is with mass uncontrolled immigration.

they just let anyone in -
even people with no qualifications that
go straight on to the dole.
They invited 3rd world no hopers here that no other country would accept.
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freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:55pm:
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Vast majority?


Yes. I provided a link in case you were confused.


Not confused: the non-DPP voters who elected the (anti-independence) majority in parliament (which is blocking the DPP's independence push) don't want independence which will result in the destruction of the island ....and worse: you have been warned by China who is already strong enough to cause the Pentagon to reconsider....

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FD As the KMT supports the ROC as the only representative of China, it opposes both Chinese unification under the PRC and formal Taiwan independence.

What do you think that means, little pink?


It means the non-DPP voters who want peaceful reunification, not war, will have to convince the CCP they possess a superior governing ideology. 

But time is running out for them: in a decade, over a billion people on the mainland will have a per capita income as high as the islanders, and an economy
50 times as large, with a PPP GDP double that of the US.

Game over.
    
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Reply #41 - Yesterday at 4:33pm
 
And let's be reasonable. The USA can NOT protect or even save Taiwan.
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Reply #42 - Yesterday at 4:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 4:00pm:
TGD,
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"the CCP is internally democratic", and appreciated by the vast majority of mainlanders (c.90%, according to a Harvard poll) who in fact have a favourable opnion of their central government,  unlike the view of the electors in democracies who are split into numerous contending interests, and forced to elect unstable governments despised by more than half the population, eg Labor only gained 30% of the primary vote in the last election, yet it's governing with a huge majority in the HoR.   
 

Dear TGD,
are you now or have you ever been a member of the CCP?


I think you have asked me that before. 

No.

By now you should know my interest is in achieving common prosperity aka the general welfare - an economic task,  irrespective of one-party, or multi-party government. 

Neoclassical economics in the context of elections based on self-interest cannot achieve common prosperity, hence my interest in the China model which has common prosperity as a stated goal.

In any case, see:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

'Public Money: Public Good'. 

The Commonwealth can fund these essentials sufficiently and indefinitely without risk of financial instability or insolvency.

Plenty of posts in the MMT thread outlining how.
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Reply #43 - Yesterday at 5:02pm
 
Black Maths will rule the likes of China.
Pushing aside White Politics like a tax write-off.
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Reply #44 - Yesterday at 5:04pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 4:48pm:
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 4:00pm:
TGD,
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"the CCP is internally democratic", and appreciated by the vast majority of mainlanders (c.90%, according to a Harvard poll) who in fact have a favourable opnion of their central government,  unlike the view of the electors in democracies who are split into numerous contending interests, and forced to elect unstable governments despised by more than half the population, eg Labor only gained 30% of the primary vote in the last election, yet it's governing with a huge majority in the HoR.   
 



Dear TGD,
are you now or have you ever been a member of the CCP?



I think you have asked me that before. 

No.

By now you should know my interest is in achieving common prosperity aka the general welfare - an economic task,  irrespective of one-party, or multi-party government. 

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

'Public Money: Public Good'. 

The Commonwealth can fund these essentials sufficiently and indefinitely without risk of financial instability or insolvency.

Plenty of posts in the MMT thread outlining how.



But if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck.   Undecided
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