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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #135 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 12:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2025 at 2:18pm:
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The fact you couldn't quote where I said I wasn't talking about Taiiwan


I highlighted it for you, little pink.


You mean this 'highlight'?

So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?
.....

Anyway, I'm pleased you have abandoned your delusional  'sovereign  Taiwan' thesis.

...as will the delusional 'individual freedom' DPP fools on the island, when the mainlanders are just as wealthy (per capita) in a decade, with less inequality than on the island to boot.   


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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #136 - Dec 6th, 2025 at 12:50pm
 
You are deluded little pink. I am merely waiting for some sense to come out of your gibberish first. There is not much point in discussing Taiwan's right to exist with you if you cannot even keep up with whether you are talking about Taiwan.

Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade? And why did you then claim you did not make this claim? And why the several different answers to the same question?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 12:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 12:43pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 12:26pm:
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But time is running out for them: in a decade, over a billion people on the mainland will have a per capita income as high as the islanders


In 2015, Taiwan's per capita GDP was 2.8 times that of China. In 2025, it is 2.5 times as high. Are you saying that in a decade, China might catch up to where Taiwan was a decade ago?


No, Im observing the growth rates in the mature 'high income' 1st world democracies slow to c. 2%. China will grow at double that rate over the next decade.

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On top of that, China has a much larger and more severe income disparity than Taiwan.


So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?
 

Of course, unless you think Taiwan will become the next Leichtenstein 
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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #137 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 6th, 2025 at 12:50pm:
You are deluded little pink. I am merely waiting for some sense to come out of your gibberish first.


"Gibberrish"....that Taiwan is part of China, and the mainlanders' gdp per capita will reach developed nation status (as opposed to their current 'middle income ' status)?

Not gibberish, just plain english stating the fact of the eventual  reunification of  Taiwan with the mainland, given:

(a) UN res 2758,

and

(b) the increasing growth in the mainland's economy, driven by the 'common prosperity' principle, as opposed to the 'right' to pursue happiness' principle in the US, which by definition ignores the different capacities of individuals to compete for 'happiness' ie, in the first instance, to acquire the necessities for survival.

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There is not much point in discussing Taiwan's right to exist with you if you cannot even keep up with whether you are talking about Taiwan.


Your brain - crippled by your delusional "individual freedom/''rights' ideology, is causing you to make this ridiculous claim, when I have been asserting (a) and (b) over this entire debate.

You of course, having lost (a),  are hoping to obfuscate by getting lost in the weeds of (b)....to wit:

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Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade? And why did you then claim you did not make this claim? And why the several different answers to the same question?


See above: after having lost (a), you are now persisting in nonsensically asserting I wasn't talking about Taiwan.

I'll say it again: both the island and the mainland will have developed-nation per capita incomes in a decade. 

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TGDBut time is running out for them: in a decade, over a billion people on the mainland will have a per capita income as high as the islanders

In 2015, Taiwan's per capita GDP was 2.8 times that of China. In 2025, it is 2.5 times as high. Are you saying that in a decade, China might catch up to where Taiwan was a decade ago?


No, I'm saying both will have developed-nation status in a decade, regardless of where Taiwan was a decade ago - try looking forward rather than backwards.

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TGDNo, Im observing  growth rates in the mature 'high income' 1st world democracies slow to c. 2%. China will grow at double that rate over the next decade


Exactly - growth rates of developed nations' economies demonstrably slow-down in comparison to developing nations' economies.

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On top of that, China has a much larger and more severe income disparity than Taiwan


Which will decrease over the next decade, guided by the 'common prosperity' goal  - unlike in the US  where income inequality is soaring courtesy of the AI boom, and no apparent desire of the central government to reduce this soaring inequality.

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So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?


No, I meant both. 

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Of course, unless you think Taiwan will become the next Leichtenstein 


ie a tax haven.

Now ...about 'Taiwan's right to exist' -  it already does, and it's part of China.

Get used to it; Trump is brave enough to fight Hamas, and allow the war criminal Netanyahu to permanently obfuscate about UN res 181, but he's not brave enough to declare war on China, in defiance of UN res 2758.    
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Reply #138 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:10pm
 
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No, I meant both.


Yes, that is the second of several answers you gave. Are you going round in circles now, or do you plan on making up more versions of what you meant?

Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade? And why did you then claim you did not make this claim? And why the several different answers to the same question?
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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #139 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:10pm:
Yes, that is the second of several answers you gave. Are you going round in circles now, or do you plan on making up more versions of what you meant?


No, (a) and (b) as described in #137 have in fact always been the first and last indications of what I meant and mean, all through this debate.
Just because  youare not intelligent enough to see I have been saying the same thing all along (if in different words), doesn't change that fact. 

Whereas you ofcourse failed to address ANY of the points in my last post in this debate which I summerized as (a) and (b) in #137.

Demonstrating once again your low IQ or fraudulence; try actually replying to the post itself, as I did to yours. 

(careful now, your refusal to refute each point in #137 will prove your incompetence or fraudulence)
........      

Now ...about 'Taiwan's right to exist' -  it already does, and it's part of China.

Get used to it; Trump is brave enough to fight Hamas, and allow the war criminal Netanyahu to permanently obfuscate about UN res 181, but he's not brave enough to declare war on China, in defiance of UN res 2758.   


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Reply #140 - Dec 7th, 2025 at 1:49pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:35pm:
Just because you are not intelligent enough to see I have been saying the same thing all along


Looks like different things to me. Do I have to be as intelligent as a little pink to mistake them for the same thing?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 12:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 12:43pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 21st, 2025 at 12:26pm:
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But time is running out for them: in a decade, over a billion people on the mainland will have a per capita income as high as the islanders


In 2015, Taiwan's per capita GDP was 2.8 times that of China. In 2025, it is 2.5 times as high. Are you saying that in a decade, China might catch up to where Taiwan was a decade ago?


No, Im observing the growth rates in the mature 'high income' 1st world democracies slow to c. 2%. China will grow at double that rate over the next decade.

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On top of that, China has a much larger and more severe income disparity than Taiwan.


So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?
 

Of course, unless you think Taiwan will become the next Leichtenstein 



thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25th, 2025 at 1:01pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2025 at 8:20am:
So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant Taiwan, not first world democracies?

I meant both.


thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2025 at 1:43pm:
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So why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade?


I didn't; I said in a decade per capita income will be the same on the mainland as on the island. 


You have since gone round the same circle a few times. You even insisted I was the one claiming you were not talking about Taiwan. The only answer you haven't given is 'neither Taiwan nor first world democracies'.

Here are a few more:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2025 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 29th, 2025 at 9:13pm:
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But time is running out for them: in a decade, over a billion people on the mainland will have a per capita income as high as the islanders


What does this mean little pink?

What is says, in the context of that statement: ie an island of 25 million Chinese people - who are divided in their opinions re sovereingty



thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4th, 2025 at 5:42pm:
Where did I say I wasn't talking about Taiwan?


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:06pm:
you are now persisting in nonsensically asserting I wasn't talking about Taiwan.


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:06pm:
I'll say it again: both the island and the mainland will have developed-nation per capita incomes in a decade.


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 7th, 2025 at 12:06pm:
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So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?


No, I meant both. 

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