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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54100 Gender:	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #120 - Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:44pm Taiwan: Made in China
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 14376 Gender:	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #121 - Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 10:10am Jasin wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 7:44pm: Taiwan: Made in China Exactly.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6180	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #122 - Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 10:34am Is Australia obligated to defend Taiwan?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54100 Gender:	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #123 - Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 11:02am We shouldn't be unless obligated by a UN like entity or Commonwealth. Even then, Taiwan is China, but ruled only by a different political power.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 14376 Gender:	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #124 - Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 11:09am tallowood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 10:34am: Is Australia obligated to defend Taiwan? If you listen to RW 'defence' outfits like the ASPI and ASIO, the answer is yes..... Because China's one-party system is a "threat" to our survival, you see.....
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54100 Gender:	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #125 - Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 12:06pm Australia sees One Party system as threat but has a One Nation on the board
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6180	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #126 - Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 12:31pm I wonder how many Australians will volunteer to fight for Taiwan when bang bang start in earnest?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 54100 Gender:	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #127 - Dec 2^nd, 2025 at 12:57pm It would look like the Gaza strip dancing around a pole there. I reckon that hardly any Chinese or even Polynesians would volunteer to help Taiwan. That says a lot there.
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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #128 - Dec 3^rd, 2025 at 9:00am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 1:11pm:

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Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade?

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No you didn't.

Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade?

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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #129 - Dec 4^th, 2025 at 10:24am

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 10:20am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

An ICJ under the auspices of the UN constituted to resolve disutes between nations, backed by a UNSC without veto, would indeed "save mankind from the scourge of war".

Corrupt, evil regimes like the Chinese communist party, North Korea, Putin etc will magically work together to prevent war. Meanwhile Russia is invading Ukraine and China is threatening to "peacefully" unify Taiwan by starving them out and slaughtering anyone who gets in the way, and our resident little pinks are insisting it is already written into UN law that Taiwan is part of China, because they found the word "China" in one of the laws from last century. And they are pre-emptively insisting that anyone who comes to Taiwan or Ukraine's assistance will be responsible for the war that results, not China or Russia.

Basically, China, Russia and whatever evil little tinpot dictators they can get on their side are trying to use the UN to legitimise another round of war and imperialism, and they think we are stupid enough to believe they are doing all this to prevent war.

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 10:51am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 10:35am:

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 10:20am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 10:17am:

An ICJ under the auspices of the UN constituted to resolve disutes between nations, backed by a UNSC without veto, would indeed "save mankind from the scourge of war".

Corrupt, evil regimes like the Chinese communist party, North Korea, Putin etc will magically work together to prevent war.

No they won't,

Yes they will. That is exactly why the CCP has been trying to either buy or exert influence on every small nation it can - so that it can use the UN to legitimise it's evil plans.

You are a great example of the CCP's evil and double speak. You have recently been reassuring us that it plans to re-unite with Taiwan peacefully, but see not contradiction or hypocrisy when you turn around and say that China plans to starve the Taiwanese to death, slaughter anyone who gets in their way, and then warn us that there will be war and it will not be China's fault if any other nations come to Taiwan's assistance and China is "forced" to start WWIII.

Evil, corrupt regimes working tirelessly to undermine the UN and use it to legitimise war, to legitimise China and Russia's next round of imperialism, while telling everyone the UN is the only mechanism to prevent war. And of course, refraining from invading Taiwan and killing millions of people is not an option for avoiding war. Evil, corrupt regimes working tirelessly to undermine the UN and use it to legitimise war, to legitimise China and Russia's next round of imperialism, while telling everyone the UN is the only mechanism to prevent war. And of course, refraining from invading Taiwan and killing millions of people is not an option for avoiding war. Refraining from invading Ukraine is not an option for preventing war. The only option we are being given to avoid war is to let China and Russia get away with waging war on their weaker neighbours.

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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #130 - Dec 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2025 at 9:00am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 1^st, 2025 at 1:11pm:

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Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade?

Already answered.

No you didn't.

Sure I did, your ability to read what is written is crippled by your CDS, as noted in the Ukraine war thread.

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Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade?

Where did I say I wasn't talking about Taiwan?

I did say the mainlanders will be as wealthy as the islanders in a decade (per capita basis), and I later said why, ie Taiwan's growth will slow while the mainland's growth will surpass it, just as China rapidly reduced the gap with the US over the last two decades, until the pandemic.

Note: since the pandemic, the current AI boom in the US is pumping up the US's gdp figures, but Wall Sreet ceased being part of the real economy ages ago, and Americans workers (not Wall St. speculators) are living paycheck to paycheck.

While China keeps trading with the world and growing its real economy; eg it's already the world's largest ship builder, while the US has to beg S. Korea to invest in deficient US shipbuilding.

Now - back to the UN, and res. 2758: you can't unilaterally decide to split a nation, just because you don't like the mainland's highly productive real economy which is a result of the nation's one-party system.

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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #131 - Dec 4^th, 2025 at 6:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

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Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade?

Where did I say I wasn't talking about Taiwan?

Sigh. Round and round in circles, the little pinks go. I have asked you about this a dozen times already, and got several different answers. On top of that, you just claimed you have already explained why you performed this blackflip in the same post you pretended you didn't perform the backflip.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21^st, 2025 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2025 at 12:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21^st, 2025 at 12:43pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2025 at 12:26pm:

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But time is running out for them: in a decade, over a billion people on the mainland will have a per capita income as high as the islanders

In 2015, Taiwan's per capita GDP was 2.8 times that of China. In 2025, it is 2.5 times as high. Are you saying that in a decade, China might catch up to where Taiwan was a decade ago?

No, Im observing the growth rates in the mature 'high income' 1st world democracies slow to c. 2%. China will grow at double that rate over the next decade.

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On top of that, China has a much larger and more severe income disparity than Taiwan.

So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?

Of course, unless you think Taiwan will become the next Leichtenstein

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51796 At my desk.	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #132 - Dec 4^th, 2025 at 7:03pm Little pink, little pink, what do you think? I drink what the CCP tells me to drink.
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Re: Taiwan's right to exist
Reply #133 - Dec 5^th, 2025 at 11:09am

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 6:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

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Why did you claim you were not talking about Taiwan after I pointed out that the CCP had barely changed the relative income between China and Taiwan over the last decade?

Where did I say I wasn't talking about Taiwan?

Sigh. Round and round in circles, the little pinks go. I have asked you about this a dozen times already, and got several different answers. On top of that, you just claimed you have already explained why you performed this blackflip in the same post you pretended you didn't perform the backflip.

The fact you couldn't quote where I said I wasn't talking about Taiiwan only confirms you are totally mentally incapacitated by your CDS.

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So when you said China would catch up to "the islanders" in a decade, you meant first world democracies, not Taiwan?

No, as already stated many times: Taiwan IS currently a first world democracy - with all the problems they currently have, despite the high per capita stats.

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Of course, unless you think Taiwan will become the next Leichtenstein

Yes - do you think it will?

(google)

Leichtenstein has a long history as a center for private banking and wealth management.
Historically, low taxes, a stable environment, and bank secrecy laws attracted foreign capital, although it has since strengthened regulations to comply with international standards.

iow, a tax haven for Wall St speculators.....

Now back to the topic, and UN res 2758 ....oh - never mind.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51796 At my desk.	Re: Taiwan's right to exist Reply #134 - Dec 5^th, 2025 at 2:18pm Quote: The fact you couldn't quote where I said I wasn't talking about Taiiwan I highlighted it for you, little pink.
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