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Nov 19th, 2025 at 12:02pm
 
The vast majority of Taiwan's citizens want Taiwan to (continue to be) independent of China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence_movement

Unlike China, Taiwan is a democracy and the citizens are allowed to inform themselves, criticise the government and openly debate the issue. They are not constantly spoonfed lies by the government like the citizens of China have to put up with.

The international community is increasingly supporting Taiwan's continued independence.

However, China still claims Taiwan as part of it's territory. Some Taiwanese even claim China as part of Taiwan's territory. Obviously, neither of these views reflect the current reality.

Should China recognise the current reality that Taiwan is an independent nation with a political system that is incompatible with China's, making it virtually impossible to peacefully unite the nations with the support of Taiwan's people? The alternative, continuing to claim that Taiwan is part of China, is seen as a imperialist threat that heightens military tensions in the region and abroad. The only foreseeable way that China and Taiwan could be peacefully re-united into a single country is if China itself became a democracy - which may well happen, though the current CCP regime sees democracy as a dirty word, even though the CCP is internally democratic. Just one example of the impenetrable hypocrisy and spin of the CCP.
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Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 12:57pm
 
Gee. Citizens of the so-called 'democracies' of the west are being spoonfed lies from Media propagandists like BBC UK, ABC Australia, CNN, NBC America. Along with oppressive Leftism narratives of Political Correctness imprisonments and falsifying histories via Cancel Culture agendas.
I'm sure the citizens of Taiwan prefer salvation from the mainlanders than being sexually abused by LGBTQ Democrats trying to come in from behind.
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Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 1:07pm
 
So you want to see a democracy destroyed as a protest against bias at the ABC?
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Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 1:30pm
 
Yes. Of course.
Especially a Democracy based upon the ruins of an Athenian past like an indigenous past of European politics that is a dead end.

Great Britain could 'let go'.  (Hong Kong)
But Democrat USA seems it can't... just like Korea and Vietnam.
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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 1:43pm
 
I'm not asking about Korea, Vietnam or the USA. I am asking you about Taiwan and China.
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 3:12pm
 
You know exactly that Taiwan is just another potential Korea & Vietnam with USA's MEDDLING in Asia.
USA is not the UN for starters.
They would be wiser to deny Democrat meddling, using Taiwan to undermine Xi and leaving the issue to the 'chinese' of Taiwan and the mainland to sort out. It might turn out for the better you know.
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 3:22pm
 
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It might turn out for the better you know.


How so? The CCP has already killed about 100 million Chinese people. Mostly by trying to help them. What good could possibly come from letting them have their way with Taiwan?

I know exactly what the potential is, which is exactly why I am suggesting China should stop its imperialist posturing, and why I am asking you about China and Taiwan.

What is it with this generation of children so blithely rejecting democracy every time they don't get exactly what they want? Do you actually believe in benign dictatorship, or have you simply not thought that far ahead? "I don't like my parent's taxes being spent on the ABC, maybe a regime that has already killed 100 million people and counting would make me feel better".
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Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:17pm
 
Is Taiwan UN member?
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Reply #8 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:23pm
 
Battery recharged.

How would you think about American Democrats meddling with making Tasmania independent from the Australian mainland?
You know. More sports stadiums n all.

Politics in Yellow Asia is not it's true culture. Unlike Sport and living in cities to mass produce yellow populations. Politics there only divides and conflicts and yellow politics is only a reaction to the intrusions of other corrupt politics from other countries that seek control.
As for millions of dead? Well you get the same from countries and peoples who rely on mass production population to be the basis of their strategy. Russia, India and the USA rely heavily on this 'fodder' confidence. Life is cheap, but toilet paper is expensive. It's a double edged sword of such countries and peoples. A case of "Meh. More of us where we come from" reliance to achieve goals.
Australians don't breed as well as that. One person dies on a playground swing and the playgrounds of Australia are shut down.

So with that said. Leave Taiwan to the Chinese, because Taiwanese are Chinese. Asia doesn't need another Korean or Vietnam because of American Democrats Leftism that seems more interested in the well-being of Asia, than its own nation.
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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:26pm
 
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How would you think about American Democrats meddling with making Tasmania independent from the Australian mainland?


I am not suggesting we meddle with anything Jasin. I am suggesting no-one meddle with Taiwan. Somehow flipping that into its opposite makes me think you have swallowed the communist handbook. Do you realise that Taiwan is a separate, independent country to China? A better analogy would be the US "interfering" to make Australia a separate country from Indonesia, or Germany a separate country from France.
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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:43pm
 
That would be a far fetched example. Taiwan on the other hand is so very much closer to void that. As for Communism? It's only failure is that it is compromised by Northern Hemisphere politics in general, where anything like a RePUBLIC as well, fails to empower the people as a whole (the mass) - only empowering the individuals at the top.
Australian Egalitarianism is much like what Communism originally aimed for. But politics in the southern hemisphere succeeds for 'the people' more so than for the individuals.
So for Communism in China? You know - the thing that the USSR forced upon them to adopt or else. Well it's the best it can do considering it's true cultural destiny is not to be a political nation of people at all.
It would be more justified to blame politics itself for what has happened in China.
Now. Is Hong Kong really that bad now?
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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:44pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2025 at 3:12pm:
You know exactly that Taiwan is just another potential Korea & Vietnam with USA's MEDDLING in Asia.
USA is not the UN for starters.
They would be wiser to deny Democrat meddling, using Taiwan to undermine Xi and leaving the issue to the 'chinese' of Taiwan and the mainland to sort out. It might turn out for the better you know.


The Chinese of Taiwan don't want to be part of mainland China.

That's why they're still there.

It's the same as the Chinese of Hong Kong.... they didn't want to be re-absorbed back into the CCP run Chinese mainland.

But the Brits relinquished them back & they had no say.

Any opposition was quickly squashed by CCP stooges & storm troopers.

MHO - phuk the CCP dictatorial Govt.

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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:53pm
 
The Brits did the right thing.
Hong Kong belonged to China.
Let's not forget that Hong Kong became the gateway for internationals to exploit the Chinese and turn them into drug addicts.

Now the only excuse of pumping Taiwanese independence is because of the ROC Nationalist Party 🎉🥳. That's the only difference. Beyond that. Cultural history, race and more has Taiwan as being Chinese... being 'China'.
Also, ROC states that they themselves are 'China' as well and rightful owners of the mainland... and even Mongolia.
It's something that other countries need to stay out of and let them settle for themselves.
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:56pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2025 at 5:43pm:
That would be a far fetched example. Taiwan on the other hand is so very much closer to void that. As for Communism? It's only failure is that it is compromised by Northern Hemisphere politics in general, where anything like a RePUBLIC as well, fails to empower the people as a whole (the mass) - only empowering the individuals at the top.
Australian Egalitarianism is much like what Communism originally aimed for. But politics in the southern hemisphere succeeds for 'the people' more so than for the individuals.
So for Communism in China? You know - the thing that the USSR forced upon them to adopt or else. Well it's the best it can do considering it's true cultural destiny is not to be a political nation of people at all.
It would be more justified to blame politics itself for what has happened in China.
Now. Is Hong Kong really that bad now?



As for Communism? It's only failure is that it is compromised by Northern Hemisphere politics in general?

Wow JaSin - you are awfully close to being on the cultural Marxist list.   Embarrassed
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2025 at 6:00pm
 
I'm just telling it as it is regarding 'Political culture' of this world. 🌍

Like I said. Australian Egalitarianism is what Communism tried to be.
I'm sure we would be ok if we were WWW.COMmunism.  Wink Cheesy
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