Meister can't. Can you?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 14^th, 2025 at 9:41am:


MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:00pm:

Religion of the peace.

A 12-year-old girl, sitting with a doll in her hands,
was forcibly married and became pregnant twice.
She is still raped every day.
Now she wants a divorce.

https://x.com/Patelindianlion/status/1989392423550857282

freediver wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 4:10pm:

Does your stupidity bother you, Freeda... All those high-falutin' forum rules of yours... Dumb as a rock...

You're a good example of ignorance breeding certainty.

The propaganda you first referred to was the existence of Jabotinsky... As unbelievable as it is for anyone with an opinion on the Israel-Palestine conflict, you'd never heard of him.

Thought of moving to the NT, Freeda? You'd raise the average IQ in both regions.

Ich unterstütze Israel und die Juden!  Heil Freiheit und Gerechtigkeit!

Frank wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 5:41pm:

I'm working out that this place may be all you have in life, that you'd need to blow smoke up the arses of mods.

I have strong reasons to support Israel, Israelis, and Jews, as my posts reveal.

Neither Israelis nor Jews hide from or deny their recent history. They're not cowards. They don't deny how Israel came to be - warts and all - nor shy from it... what they do ask is that their critics moderate or rethink their criticism of Israel in the context of Jewish history over the last 2000 years - particularly their suffering at the hands of Europeans -  and their cultural claim to the region.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:

The Jews are not saints.
Nor the Muslims or the Pallos.


But I will have no truck with the river to them sea jihadis and their useless iidiots. Jews won their country a bit like ghe Irish: bombing the Brits into submission. But the Irish promptly gave away Ireland to an assortment of Muslims. Israel isn't prepared to do that, no matter what Greta says. I'm with Israel on that.

When it comes to the effetely histrionic and ignorant defences of Israel as posted by some here, Israelis and Jews are not concerned - a useful idiot in your corner is sometimes better than none at all.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 5:45pm:




Have you decided yet whether you would side with the Nazis or the Jews, if it was Nazis trying to wipe out Israel?

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 7:50pm:

You're an example of the stupid defending their stupidity to the death.

Have you read Jabotinsky's Iron Wall?

Quote:


They are not trying to seek justice for the dispossessed. They are trying to slaughter the Jews, and their efforts only get in the way of justice. The only reason there was a war at all, along with dispossession, in the creation of Israel, is because the Muslims were frothing at the mouth at the thought of the Jews being in charge. Plenty of Arab Muslims stayed in Israel and today have more rights, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:06pm:

Worse... The certainty you presume would collapse.

UMeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 7:58pm:


In 1944 nazi claims to Jewish property in Vienna was direct and contemporary. They ijhactually lived in Jewish flats.

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:04pm:

This is where Jabotinsky's 'Iron Wall' and his 'Ethics of the Iron Wall' will end your willful stupidity and blind certainty.... That, or it will be for you what a cliff is to Wile E Coyote.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:12pm:


All people are where they are by accident of history.

Israel was created on May 14 1948. A day later, the Arabs invaded and tried to slaughter them all. This was after ethnically cleansing their countries of almost every Jew. Can you explain why trying to slaughter Jews somehow doesn't front bottom as trying to slaughter Jews, just because it happened a few years after the exposure of the holocaust?

Why are you incapable of deciding whether you would support the Jews or the Nazis? Are you upset that the Nazis lost WWII?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 11^th, 2025 at 7:49am:

Here, Jaobitinsky expresses either gross naivety or intentional bias... It's impossible not to hate an enemy that intends to kill you... In the heat of battle it is, in fact, an absolute necessity for survival.

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2025 at 12:24pm:

Given you're willfully ignorant of Israel's modern history, it's not surprising you'd miss the point.

Palestinian Jewish leaders (as pre-Israelis) did everything they could to remove those who were, Ben Gurion's, 'strangers in our land' in preparation for the declaration of the Jewish state of Israel.

They were not 100% successful, and those Arabs within Israel's provisional borders at the moment of Israel's declaration of statehood and its acknowledgement at the UN, automatically became Israeli citizens. They were not invited to stay by Palestinian Jews cum Jewish Israelis, nor were they, or have they been since, encouraged to stay.

Most Arab Israelis claim they suffer discrimination and are treated with suspicion by Jewish Israelis.

There was no Nazi-inspired Holocaust, mini or otherwise, of Jews living in Arab states, by Muslims. There was a significant migration of Middle Eastern Jews into Israel once it was declared a nation-state.

The problem reared its ugly head again when Israel illegally annexed East Jerusalem, only this time the secure Israeli state declared East Jerusalem's Arab residents as permanent residents, not as citizens, making it easier to expel them as and when deemed necessary.

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 4:01pm:

Thought you'd angle into this thread now, eh!

For a 'special ops guy', they didn't teach you much.

If they

- Were present in Israel on 14 July 1952
- Had been continuously resident since 14 May 1948
- Were registered in the population registry

Most Arab Israelis believe they are discriminated against by Jewish Israelis. Most Jewish Israelis admit they treat Arab Israelis with suspicion at best, hostility at worst.

Your Islamophobia is self-evident in all your posts, Soren.  What a WOFTAM you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:32pm:

Militant Arabs' hostility is focused on Israel's existence in what they claim is Arab land, as Jabotinsky told his Jewish comrades, adding that Arab resistance is natural and justified.

The Iron Wall

- No colonised people consent voluntarily
- Arabs will resist Jewish statehood


Ethics of the Iron Wall
- Arabs are justified in resisting foreign sovereignty
- Pretending this resistance can be talked away is dishonest

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

What Jabotinsky insisted Palestinian Jews (now Israelis) accept is that, while Jews may claim the ancient borders of Israel and Judea-Samaria as Jewish land in perpetuity, they must not expect acceptance from Arabs who have lived in that land for thousands of years... that they must accept resistance to the death against what the Arabs naturally and justifiably would perceive as invaders.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 4:36pm:

That depends on your perspective. It was a Jewish land until 160AD, then it wasn't... cut back to a thousand years before that, and it was the land of another tribe... The Catalans in Spain claim Catalonian sovereign status, separate from and independent of the Spanish state. Are they right?

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

So who, or what, determines who is right?

Jabotinsky told his Jewish comrades that might made right.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

You tell me, you are the sagely wise German mystic, not me.

Who has the unloaded perspective, the god's eye view on anything?  German mystics? No.

Who then? Nobody. Hence conflicts, quarrels, wars.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 9:39pm:

You tell me, you are the sagely wise German mystic, not me.

Despite Jabotinsky's revered status in Israel, his legacy has nonetheless divided Israelis and Jews since before the founding of the state.

Zionist leftists and gradualists were fierce critics of Jabotinsky's militant self-defensive Zionism with its ethos of, if not 'might makes right', then 'might forces them to the negotiating table'.

This left-right, liberal vs militant Zionism survives to this day.

chimera wrote Today at 8:16am:

Zionism predates the Holocaust and was primarily a response to nearly 20 centuries of European Jewish persecution.

chimera wrote Today at 8:53am:

Yep, particularly among Polish Jews, many of whom had extensive military training, despite Polish Catholics being more vehement Jew-haters than Germans.

The Holocaust prompted more than greater immigration of European Jews out of Europe; it prompted a tsunami.

The mindset of 'never again' is universal among Israelis and Jews, Zionists and non alike.

chimera wrote Today at 9:42am:

Israel claims the West Bank as part of ancient Judea and Samaria, so...

MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 10:02am:

It isn't??

Frank wrote Today at 10:32am:

It was, and Israel claims that it was, is and always will be the geographical heart of Judaism itself - as promised to them by a deity... and in accordance with the Zionist Jewish statehood project, it must be annexed and purged of 'strangers'.