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Reply #30 - Dec 11^th, 2025 at 12:59pm

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2025 at 12:24pm:

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That meant that all people, regardless of religion, ethnicity, or political views, were equal under Israeli law.

And still are. Arab Muslims make up about 20% of Israel's population. Unlike other middle eastern countries whose Jewish population is close enough to zero - thanks to the efforts of Muslims inspired by Hitler's holocaust. Those Arab Muslims who chose to stay in Israel have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

What point are you trying to make, BTW?

Given you're willfully ignorant of Israel's modern history, it's not surprising you'd miss the point.

Palestinian Jewish leaders (as pre-Israelis) did everything they could to remove those who were, Ben Gurion's, 'strangers in our land' in preparation for the declaration of the Jewish state of Israel.

They were not 100% successful, and those Arabs within Israel's provisional borders at the moment of Israel's declaration of statehood and its acknowledgement at the UN, automatically became Israeli citizens. They were not invited to stay by Palestinian Jews cum Jewish Israelis, nor were they, or have they been since, encouraged to stay.

Most Arab Israelis claim they suffer discrimination and are treated with suspicion by Jewish Israelis.

There was no Nazi-inspired Holocaust, mini or otherwise, of Jews living in Arab states, by Muslims. There was a significant migration of Middle Eastern Jews into Israel once it was declared a nation-state.

The problem reared its ugly head again when Israel illegally annexed East Jerusalem, only this time the secure Israeli state declared East Jerusalem's Arab residents as permanent residents, not as citizens, making it easier to expel them as and when deemed necessary.

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Reply #31 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 4:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 11^th, 2025 at 12:59pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2025 at 12:24pm:

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That meant that all people, regardless of religion, ethnicity, or political views, were equal under Israeli law.

And still are. Arab Muslims make up about 20% of Israel's population. Unlike other middle eastern countries whose Jewish population is close enough to zero - thanks to the efforts of Muslims inspired by Hitler's holocaust. Those Arab Muslims who chose to stay in Israel have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

What point are you trying to make, BTW?

Given you're willfully ignorant of Israel's modern history, it's not surprising you'd miss the point.

Palestinian Jewish leaders (as pre-Israelis) did everything they could to remove those who were, Ben Gurion's, 'strangers in our land' in preparation for the declaration of the Jewish state of Israel.

They were not 100% successful, and those Arabs within Israel's provisional borders at the moment of Israel's declaration of statehood and its acknowledgement at the UN, automatically became Israeli citizens. They were not invited to stay by Palestinian Jews cum Jewish Israelis, nor were they, or have they been since, encouraged to stay.

Most Arab Israelis claim they suffer discrimination and are treated with suspicion by Jewish Israelis.

There was no Nazi-inspired Holocaust, mini or otherwise, of Jews living in Arab states, by Muslims. There was a significant migration of Middle Eastern Jews into Israel once it was declared a nation-state.

The problem reared its ugly head again when Israel illegally annexed East Jerusalem, only this time the secure Israeli state declared East Jerusalem's Arab residents as permanent residents, not as citizens, making it easier to expel them as and when deemed necessary.

So why then were Arabs given full rights as Israeli citizens? You quibble over 'they weren't invited to stay' (BS) - and yet they weren't driven out either unless they waged war on Israelis. You're just playing silly buggars with semantics.

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Reply #32 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:08pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 4:01pm:

So why then were Arabs given full rights as Israeli citizens? You quibble over 'they weren't invited to stay' (BS) - and yet they weren't driven out either unless they waged war on Israelis. You're just playing silly buggars with semantics.

Thought you'd angle into this thread now, eh!

For a 'special ops guy', they didn't teach you much.

If they

- Were present in Israel on 14 July 1952
- Had been continuously resident since 14 May 1948
- Were registered in the population registry

Most Arab Israelis believe they are discriminated against by Jewish Israelis. Most Jewish Israelis admit they treat Arab Israelis with suspicion at best, hostility at worst.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 54866 Gender:	Re: Nazis, Muslim or Jews... pick a side Reply #33 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:32pm If I wes a Jew I wouldn't be keen on having people in my country whose holy book and imams say that there will be no peace on earth until all the Jews are killed off by them.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 45443	Re: Nazis, Muslim or Jews... pick a side Reply #34 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:40pm Your Islamophobia is self-evident in all your posts, Soren. What a WOFTAM you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 54866 Gender:	Re: Nazis, Muslim or Jews... pick a side Reply #35 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:58pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:40pm: Your Islamophobia is self-evident in all your posts, Soren. What a WOFTAM you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk... No Right Islam turn!
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Reply #36 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 6:01pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:32pm:

If I wes a Jew I wouldn't be keen on having people in my country whose holy book and imams say that there will be no peace on earth until all the Jews are killed off by them.

Militant Arabs' hostility is focused on Israel's existence in what they claim is Arab land, as Jabotinsky told his Jewish comrades, adding that Arab resistance is natural and justified.

The Iron Wall

- No colonised people consent voluntarily
- Arabs will resist Jewish statehood

Ethics of the Iron Wall
- Arabs are justified in resisting foreign sovereignty
- Pretending this resistance can be talked away is dishonest

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Reply #37 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 6:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 5:40pm:

Your Islamophobia is self-evident in all your posts, Soren. What a WOFTAM you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Well - that's a relief at a time when Denmark is having 70%+ of its population calling for the remigration of criminals and welfare dodgers... all the best Civilised Tribes are standing together so it can't be Islmophobia.... another madeup word to stand alongside transphobia and a few others ... one day a learned professor will dust off an ancient tome and say ..."Well - it's in here somewhere..... it was a true oddity of the early 21st century... but that was a long time ago now ..."......

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Reply #38 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 2:46pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

The Iron Wall

- No colonised people consent voluntarily
- Arabs will resist Jewish statehood

Ethics of the Iron Wall
- Arabs are justified in resisting foreign sovereignty
- Pretending this resistance can be talked away is dishonest

What Jabotinsky insisted Palestinian Jews (now Israelis) accept is that, while Jews may claim the ancient borders of Israel and Judea-Samaria as Jewish land in perpetuity, they must not expect acceptance from Arabs who have lived in that land for thousands of years... that they must accept resistance to the death against what the Arabs naturally and justifiably would perceive as invaders.

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Reply #39 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 4:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 2:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 12^th, 2025 at 6:01pm:

The Iron Wall

- No colonised people consent voluntarily
- Arabs will resist Jewish statehood

Ethics of the Iron Wall
- Arabs are justified in resisting foreign sovereignty
- Pretending this resistance can be talked away is dishonest

What Jabotinsky insisted Palestinian Jews (now Israelis) accept is that, while Jews may claim the ancient borders of Israel and Judea-Samaria as Jewish land in perpetuity, they must not expect acceptance from Arabs who have lived in that land for thousands of years... that they must accept resistance to the death against what the Arabs naturally and justifiably would perceive as invaders.

So?

It was Jewish before it was Muslim Arab. The Muslim Arabs regard conquests to be final in their favour, that's why they regard Spain as still rightfully theirs. But it isn't.
Ditto with Israel. Muslims doctrine is recognised to exist, just not accepted as binding, neither on the Spanish, nor the Jews.
Jabotinsky stated the obvious. It doesn't mean that the Muslim take on things must be accepted.

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Reply #40 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:26pm

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 4:36pm:

So?

It was Jewish before it was Muslim Arab. The Muslim Arabs regard conquests to be final in their favour, that's why they regard Spain as still rightfully theirs. But it isn't.
Ditto with Israel. Muslims doctrine is recognised to exist, just not accepted as binding, neither on the Spanish, nor the Jews.
Jabotinsky stated the obvious. It doesn't mean that the Muslim take on things must be accepted.

That depends on your perspective. It was a Jewish land until 160AD, then it wasn't... cut back to a thousand years before that, and it was the land of another tribe... The Catalans in Spain claim Catalonian sovereign status, separate from and independent of the Spanish state. Are they right?

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Reply #41 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 4:36pm:

So?

It was Jewish before it was Muslim Arab. The Muslim Arabs regard conquests to be final in their favour, that's why they regard Spain as still rightfully theirs. But it isn't.
Ditto with Israel. Muslims doctrine is recognised to exist, just not accepted as binding, neither on the Spanish, nor the Jews.
Jabotinsky stated the obvious. It doesn't mean that the Muslim take on things must be accepted.

That depends on your perspective.

Exactly.

Having a perspective is no guarantee of being right.

Hence conflicts, quarrels, wars.

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Reply #42 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:38pm

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 4:36pm:

So?

It was Jewish before it was Muslim Arab. The Muslim Arabs regard conquests to be final in their favour, that's why they regard Spain as still rightfully theirs. But it isn't.
Ditto with Israel. Muslims doctrine is recognised to exist, just not accepted as binding, neither on the Spanish, nor the Jews.
Jabotinsky stated the obvious. It doesn't mean that the Muslim take on things must be accepted.

That depends on your perspective.

Exactly.

Having a perspective is no guarantee of being right.

Hence conflicts, quarrels, wars.

So who, or what, determines who is right?

Jabotinsky told his Jewish comrades that might made right.

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Reply #44 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 9:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:38pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:30pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2025 at 4:36pm:

So?

It was Jewish before it was Muslim Arab. The Muslim Arabs regard conquests to be final in their favour, that's why they regard Spain as still rightfully theirs. But it isn't.
Ditto with Israel. Muslims doctrine is recognised to exist, just not accepted as binding, neither on the Spanish, nor the Jews.
Jabotinsky stated the obvious. It doesn't mean that the Muslim take on things must be accepted.

That depends on your perspective.

Exactly.

Having a perspective is no guarantee of being right.

Hence conflicts, quarrels, wars.

So who, or what, determines who is right?

Jabotinsky told his Jewish comrades that might made right.

You tell me, you are the sagely wise German mystic, not me.

Who has the unloaded perspective, the god's eye view on anything? German mystics? No.

Who then? Nobody. Hence conflicts, quarrels, wars.

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