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Reply #90 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:17pm
 
Arabs in the West Bank can freely protest to the Jewish Arab Jewish Jewish government for 5 seconds.
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Reply #91 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 6:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:07pm:
I don't get what you are whining about. The Arabs have literally been trying to slaughter the Jews since Israel was created. And you are complaining that Israel was not allowing them to immigrate at the same time?

Arab Muslims now make up about 20% of Israel's population. And if you read the "image" you can see for yourself that their population has gone up more than tenfold since Israel's creation, while at the same time other middle eastern countries have successfully ethnically cleansed themselves of Jews. Those arab muslims in Israel now enjoy more rights and freedoms than they would in any other middle eastern or north african country, and more say in the governance of Israel. Yet in your desperation to put a Nazi'esque spin on this, you chose to paint this as Israel trying to wipe them out, but "not quite being 100% successful". And at the same time you accuse me of being wilfully ignorant of the history.

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Well, you lasted one post... then back to making a fool of yourself...

A political forum owner who gets his news and history from memes.

No whining here other than your own.

I've posted about this at least twice; you can read them on this thread... or even better, research the history of Arab Israelis for yourself.

The only peoples who slaughtered Jews for being Jews were European peoples.

Jews were not slaughtered in the Middle East Nazi-style. Almost all of them migrated to Israel after Israel was declared, under its Law of Return.

For International legitimacy and recognition, the new Israel was required to extend citizenship to Arabs because Israel

- depended on international recognition, especially from Western democracies.

- The UN Partition framework explicitly assumed minority rights.

- Denying citizenship to Arabs who remained would have made Israel resemble an apartheid or colonial regime from day one.

- Granting citizenship strengthened Israel’s diplomatic position at a moment when its existence was still contested.
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Reply #92 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:00pm
 
'About 160,000 Palestinian Arabs remained within Israel's borders after the 1948 war and became citizens, forming the core of the present-day Arab Israeli population. This population grew due to natural increase, but was not significantly bolstered by external immigration during this period.'

Same story in Gaza.
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Reply #93 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:30pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 6:39pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:07pm:
I don't get what you are whining about. The Arabs have literally been trying to slaughter the Jews since Israel was created. And you are complaining that Israel was not allowing them to immigrate at the same time?

Arab Muslims now make up about 20% of Israel's population. And if you read the "image" you can see for yourself that their population has gone up more than tenfold since Israel's creation, while at the same time other middle eastern countries have successfully ethnically cleansed themselves of Jews. Those arab muslims in Israel now enjoy more rights and freedoms than they would in any other middle eastern or north african country, and more say in the governance of Israel. Yet in your desperation to put a Nazi'esque spin on this, you chose to paint this as Israel trying to wipe them out, but "not quite being 100% successful". And at the same time you accuse me of being wilfully ignorant of the history.

Cheesy

Well, you lasted one post... then back to making a fool of yourself...

A political forum owner who gets his news and history from memes.

No whining here other than your own.

I've posted about this at least twice; you can read them on this thread... or even better, research the history of Arab Israelis for yourself.

The only peoples who slaughtered Jews for being Jews were European peoples.

Jews were not slaughtered in the Middle East Nazi-style. Almost all of them migrated to Israel after Israel was declared, under its Law of Return.

For International legitimacy and recognition, the new Israel was required to extend citizenship to Arabs because Israel

- depended on international recognition, especially from Western democracies.

- The UN Partition framework explicitly assumed minority rights.

- Denying citizenship to Arabs who remained would have made Israel resemble an apartheid or colonial regime from day one.

- Granting citizenship strengthened Israel’s diplomatic position at a moment when its existence was still contested.


LOL. Can you explain how you make the absurd mental leap from this petty whinge to claiming that the Israeli Jews did everything they could to wipe out the local Arab Muslims, but were not quite 100% successful?

Demonstrate your knowledge of Israeli history, rather than your knowledge of moronic, mindless Jew-hating facebook memes.

This is the stupid crap you post Meister:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 11th, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Given you're willfully ignorant of Israel's modern history, it's not surprising you'd miss the point.

Palestinian Jewish leaders (as pre-Israelis) did everything they could to remove those who were, Ben Gurion's, 'strangers in our land' in preparation for the declaration of the Jewish state of Israel.

They were not 100% successful


No wonder you prefer to remove it from the quotes.

Neighbouring Muslim countries actually succeeded in getting rid of the Jews, then followed up by trying to slaughter any the fled to Israel. In response, Israel created a liberal democracy in which the significant Arab Muslim population have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any middle eastern or north african country.

You point out that the Arabs did not slaughter Jews Nazi-style, like this is a demonstration of Muslim goodwill towards Jews. What you leave out with your Nazi-esque spin is that they tried and failed. Repeatedly. But they did manage to ethnically cleanse their countries of Jews.
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Reply #94 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:30pm:
LOL. Can you explain how you make the absurd mental leap from this petty whinge to claiming that the Israeli Jews did everything they could to wipe out the local Arab Muslims, but were not quite 100% successful?

Demonstrate your knowledge of Israeli history, rather than your knowledge of moronic, mindless Jew-hating facebook memes.

This is the stupid crap you post Meister:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 11th, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Given you're willfully ignorant of Israel's modern history, it's not surprising you'd miss the point.

Palestinian Jewish leaders (as pre-Israelis) did everything they could to remove those who were, Ben Gurion's, 'strangers in our land' in preparation for the declaration of the Jewish state of Israel.

They were not 100% successful


No wonder you prefer to remove it from the quotes.

Neighbouring Muslim countries actually succeeded in getting rid of the Jews, then followed up by trying to slaughter any the fled to Israel. In response, Israel created a liberal democracy in which the significant Arab Muslim population have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any middle eastern or north african country.

You point out that the Arabs did not slaughter Jews Nazi-style, like this is a demonstration of Muslim goodwill towards Jews. What you leave out with your Nazi-esque spin is that they tried and failed. Repeatedly. But they did manage to ethnically cleanse their countries of Jews.

Tell you what, instead of demanding that I do the research for you, and instead of basing your conclusions on a meme, ask an adult to help you source the history of militant Zionist actions between 1946 and 1948 against local Arabs and the British within the soon-to-be borders of Israel. Check for the actions of Menachem Begin's Revisionists (who fully embraced Jabotinsky's philosophy) and Yitshak Shamir and his Lehi (Stern Gang).
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Reply #95 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:58pm
 
About 250,000 to 300,000 Palestinian Arabs were displaced by Jewish militant groups before Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948.

The displacement did not begin after Israel existed, but between 1946 and April 1948, (at its most prolific between December '47 and April '48), at the end of the British Mandate.

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Reply #96 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 8:22pm
 
They should have been there in the first place.
Only justified by archaic Westernism.
While British Westernism is progressive to the future.
Bad luck Palestinians and they really are bad luck for anyone. Even other Arab nations.
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Reply #97 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 9:20pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:58pm:
About 250,000 to 300,000 Palestinian Arabs were displaced by Jewish militant groups before Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948.

The displacement did not begin after Israel existed, but between 1946 and April 1948, (at its most prolific between December '47 and April '48), at the end of the British Mandate.


The date, December 1947, is significant. UNSCOP, chaired by Doc Evatt, had submitted its recommendations to the UNSG in early September 1947.

The report was then circulated to UN member states and formally presented to the General Assembly later that month, leading to the debates that culminated in the UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181) adopted on 29 November 1947.

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Reply #98 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 10:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 2:03pm:

Just on your meme drivel:

Zionist militants began displacing Arabs from 1946 to 1948, at its height between December 1947 and April 1948 - less than one month after UN Resolution 181 and less than one month before Israel's declaration of independence in May 1948.

Arab states responding to Zionist/Israeli actions in Israel and undeclared (occupied) Palestine

Egypt - 1956
Syria - 1948
Iran - 1979 (after the Iranian Revolution)
Iraq - 1950
Lebanon - 1948
Morocco - 1948 (A French and Spanish Protectorate until 1956)
Yemen - 1949 (After a coup in 1948)
Algeria - 1962
Libya - 1945 (under British and French military occupation until 1951)
Tunisia - 1956 (under France until March 1956)
Gaza - 2005 (when Israel forcibly removed Jewish settlers in Gaza)
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Reply #99 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 10:55pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 10:45pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 2:03pm:

Just on your meme drivel:

Zionist militants began displacing Arabs from 1946 to 1948, at its height between December 1947 and April 1948 - less than one month after UN Resolution 181 and less than one month before Israel's declaration of independence in May 1948.

Arab states responding to Zionist/Israeli actions in Israel and undeclared (occupied) Palestine

Egypt - 1956
Syria - 1948
Iran - 1979 (after the Iranian Revolution)
Iraq - 1950
Lebanon - 1948
Morocco - 1948 (A French and Spanish Protectorate until 1956)
Yemen - 1949 (After a coup in 1948)
Algeria - 1962
Libya - 1945 (under British and French military occupation until 1951)
Tunisia - 1956 (under France until March 1956)
Gaza - 2005 (when Israel forcibly removed Jewish settlers in Gaza)

Two year-dates feature prominently -1948 (as discussed) and 1956, the year of the Suez Canal crisis, when Britain, France and Israel allied to attempt to seize control of the Suez Canal.

Israel invaded Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula on 29 October 1956.

Britain and France then issued an ultimatum and launched air and naval attacks on Egypt, claiming to protect the Suez Canal after Egypt had nationalised it.
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Reply #100 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:20am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:47pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:30pm:
LOL. Can you explain how you make the absurd mental leap from this petty whinge to claiming that the Israeli Jews did everything they could to wipe out the local Arab Muslims, but were not quite 100% successful?

Demonstrate your knowledge of Israeli history, rather than your knowledge of moronic, mindless Jew-hating facebook memes.

This is the stupid crap you post Meister:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 11th, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Given you're willfully ignorant of Israel's modern history, it's not surprising you'd miss the point.

Palestinian Jewish leaders (as pre-Israelis) did everything they could to remove those who were, Ben Gurion's, 'strangers in our land' in preparation for the declaration of the Jewish state of Israel.

They were not 100% successful


No wonder you prefer to remove it from the quotes.

Neighbouring Muslim countries actually succeeded in getting rid of the Jews, then followed up by trying to slaughter any the fled to Israel. In response, Israel created a liberal democracy in which the significant Arab Muslim population have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any middle eastern or north african country.

You point out that the Arabs did not slaughter Jews Nazi-style, like this is a demonstration of Muslim goodwill towards Jews. What you leave out with your Nazi-esque spin is that they tried and failed. Repeatedly. But they did manage to ethnically cleanse their countries of Jews.

Tell you what, instead of demanding that I do the research for you, and instead of basing your conclusions on a meme, ask an adult to help you source the history of militant Zionist actions between 1946 and 1948 against local Arabs and the British within the soon-to-be borders of Israel. Check for the actions of Menachem Begin's Revisionists (who fully embraced Jabotinsky's philosophy) and Yitshak Shamir and his Lehi (Stern Gang).


It's your idiotic claim Meister. You back it up. They have fended off the surrounding Muslim countries repeatedly during Israel's establishment, and since then. What happened when they turned that impressive military strength on the small number of local Arab Muslims? They could have wiped them out in a few days.

Perhaps you could provide something more substantial than a mindless facebook meme?

And you still haven't decided whether you would be supporting the Nazis or the Jews. Do you have your own version of WWII you wish to "educate" everyone on?
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Reply #101 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:25am
 
The Soviets expelled Germans, the Poles, Czechs, Romanians expelled Germans. The Indians expelled Muslims, the Pakis expelled Hindus. The Turks expelled Greeks, the Greeks expelled Turks. The Kurds killed and expelled the Arnenians for the Turks. The hutus expelled the butus and the butus expelled the mutus. Everybody expelled the Jews, the Jews expelled the Arabs.

And so the long day wore on.

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Reply #102 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:31am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:25am:
The Soviets expelled Germans, the Poles, Czechs, Romanians expelled Germans. The Indians expelled Muslims, the Pakis expelled Hindus. The Turks expelled Greeks, the Greeks expelled Turks. The Kurds killed and expelled the Arnenians for the Turks. The hutus expelled the butus and the butus expelled the mutus. Everybody expelled the Jews, the Jews expelled the Arabs.

And so the long day wore on.



Except that they didn't. Despite the Jewish immigrants surviving the holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in the Arab world, or perhaps because of it, they did the opposite. They gave local Arab Muslims a liberal democracy where they enjoy more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. The local Arab Muslim population in Israel has increased more than tenfold, and they make up 20% of Israel's population.
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Reply #103 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:50am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:31am:
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:25am:
The Soviets expelled Germans, the Poles, Czechs, Romanians expelled Germans. The Indians expelled Muslims, the Pakis expelled Hindus. The Turks expelled Greeks, the Greeks expelled Turks. The Kurds killed and expelled the Arnenians for the Turks. The hutus expelled the butus and the butus expelled the mutus. Everybody expelled the Jews, the Jews expelled the Arabs.

And so the long day wore on.



Except that they didn't. Despite the Jewish immigrants surviving the holocaust and the ethnic cleansing in the Arab world, or perhaps because of it, they did the opposite. They gave local Arab Muslims a liberal democracy where they enjoy more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. The local Arab Muslim population in Israel has increased more than tenfold, and they make up 20% of Israel's population.


Well, up to a point, Lord Copper.
The Jews were not above giving some Arabs the marching orders, directly or by telling them they"wanted to go". The mufti were very encouraging of the Muslims to go.
But yes, overall the Jews have been far more liberal and tolerant of Arabs, without being blamelessly angelic,  than the other way around.
The population increase us due to rapid breeding. One of the Muslim aims, as in Europe, is go outbreed the Jews in Israel. In Gaza under Hamas, for example, contraception is forbidden and the birthrate is high. That's why the Gazan population, despite the "genocide" has actually increased.
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Reply #104 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 8:53am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 19th, 2025 at 7:20am:
It's your idiotic claim Meister. You back it up. They have fended off the surrounding Muslim countries repeatedly during Israel's establishment, and since then. What happened when they turned that impressive military strength on the small number of local Arab Muslims? They could have wiped them out in a few days.

Perhaps you could provide something more substantial than a mindless facebook meme?

And you still haven't decided whether you would be supporting the Nazis or the Jews. Do you have your own version of WWII you wish to "educate" everyone on?

You need to accept the fact that you're stupid. That you will defend your stupidity to the death.

Militant Jewish groups expelled Arabs en masse between 1946 and 1948, with the highest concentration of expulsions occurring between December 47 and April 48, just before Israel declared independence.

Arab reciprocity within the region occurred immediately after and onwards into the 70s, with key dates being 1948 and 1956.

These are what we call facts. As an idiot, you'll need to become accustomed to them.

What makes your stupidity more laughable is that Israelis and Jews are well aware of these facts and never deny them.

They're neither stupid nor cowards. They don't shy from their own history any more than they would cleanse the Talmud of Jewish atrocities committed against Semitic tribes they displaced when establishing themselves in their promised land.

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