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Re: Does Labor waste money?
Reply #30 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:02pm
 
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I told you why I vote for Labor: they are more  likely to fund welfare-enhancing policies, eg
universal healthcare, and minimum wage increases.

That didn't work out for me.
Twice I was unemployed and I never got one penny from Centrelink.
They have a book called: 1001 reasons to get out of paying you anything.


TGD,
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And I already explained why the private sector is dysfunctional;
and why governments of any persuasion can't fix it, given the current Neoclassical hegemony.

The private sector is burdened with massive taxes.
Even things like payroll taxes.
That is the reason behind both of the mass retrenchments I suffered.
One of the companies I worked for was completely shutdown and the entire factory
and even the research and design part was transferred overseas to an Asian country
for cheaper wages and taxes.
240 people lost their job that day - I was one of them.
The Union reps never even turned up that day.
Centrelink ripped us all off because we got payouts -
even small payouts of less than $5K and Centrelink
would tell you to take a running jump - you get nothing,
yet it was the Govts massive taxes that lost us all our jobs.


TGD,
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Yes, that's because hapless Chalmers still believes he has to 'balance the budget',
like you and I have to balance our household budgets.
Hapless and hopeless - but still better than the 'survival of the fittest' Coalition alternative.

The coalition is not much better -
we have a one party State in Australia with 2 branches: Labor and Liberal.
They are both high taxing of the average worker and let the large
mining companies sell off our resources for cheap prices and little taxes.
1/3rd of our largest companies pay zero tax.
The little guy gets bullied around and exploited.
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Re: Does Labor waste money?
Reply #31 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:07pm
 
All governments waste money on their pet projects and on overpaying for services provided, including in the public service - a vastly over-rated, over heavy and over paid institution.
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Re: Does Labor waste money?
Reply #32 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:11pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:07pm:
All governments waste money on their pet projects and on overpaying for services provided, including in the public service -
a vastly over-rated, over heavy and over paid institution.



I heard a rumor that 9 out of 10 jobs advertised in the last year
were public service jobs -

it makes the Govt look good if unemployment is low.
They keep on creating useless, unnecessary jobs to look good -
of course that is with borrowed money. Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:26pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:11pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:07pm:
All governments waste money on their pet projects and on overpaying for services provided, including in the public service -
a vastly over-rated, over heavy and over paid institution.



I heard a rumor that 9 out of 10 jobs advertised in the last year
were public service jobs -

it makes the Govt look good if unemployment is low.
They keep on creating useless, unnecessary jobs to look good -
of course that is with borrowed money. Roll Eyes


They are the jobs created for the newly arrived migrants to pay off their 50 year mortgages Wink
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Reply #34 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:33pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:11pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:07pm:
All governments waste money on their pet projects and on overpaying for services provided, including in the public service -
a vastly over-rated, over heavy and over paid institution.



I heard a rumor that 9 out of 10 jobs advertised in the last year
were public service jobs -

it makes the Govt look good if unemployment is low.
They keep on creating useless, unnecessary jobs to look good -
of course that is with borrowed money. Roll Eyes


They are the jobs created for the newly arrived migrants to pay off their 50 year mortgages Wink



Hi sir brave Nail,
it's actually an old idea stolen from the Indians back in the 1950s and 1960s.
One set of jobs they created at the driver's license bureau was that
you had to apply for the form to apply for a driver's license.
That put an extra step in the process - employed more people
and they put up the cost of a driver's license to pay for it.
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Re: Does Labor waste money?
Reply #35 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:33pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:11pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:07pm:
All governments waste money on their pet projects and on overpaying for services provided, including in the public service -
a vastly over-rated, over heavy and over paid institution.



I heard a rumor that 9 out of 10 jobs advertised in the last year
were public service jobs -

it makes the Govt look good if unemployment is low.
They keep on creating useless, unnecessary jobs to look good -
of course that is with borrowed money. Roll Eyes


They are the jobs created for the newly arrived migrants to pay off their 50 year mortgages Wink



Hi sir brave Nail,
it's actually an old idea stolen from the Indians back in the 1950s and 1960s.
One set of jobs they created at the driver's license bureau was that
you had to apply for the form to apply for a driver's license.
That put an extra step in the process - employed more people
and they put up the cost of a driver's license to pay for it.


I believe it was called "Parkinsons law" where the bureaucrats would keep creating positions for work they were required to do but offloaded to someone below them and so on thus dispersing the jobs within a huge pyramid of bureaucrats.
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Reply #36 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:44pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 3:41pm:
I believe it was called "Parkinsons law" where the bureaucrats would keep creating positions for work they were required to do but offloaded to someone below them and so on thus dispersing the jobs within a huge pyramid of bureaucrats.



yes -

Parkinson's law-

"work expands so as to fill the time available for its completion"; and.
the number of workers within public administration, bureaucracy or officialdom tends to grow,
regardless of the amount of work to be done.
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Reply #37 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 4:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:28am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:24am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:20am:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:12am:
Why is Labor trying to sabotage our economy? -


only in the minds of idiots ... congrats, you qualify



You voted for Labor -

it's pricks like you who put us in this mess.   Angry


make sure you thank me when you spend your pension



Could you think of something better to spend $2 billion on?   Undecided

Housing, safe roads, Inland rail?
Maybe hospitals, age care?
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Reply #38 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 4:21pm
 
Does Labor waste money?

Depends on weather one considers $368 [or whatever] billion for some steam submarines a waste of money
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Reply #39 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 4:38pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 4:21pm:
Does Labor waste money?

Depends on weather one considers $368 [or whatever] billion for
some steam submarines a waste of money


The Libbos are in on that too -
bipartisan support to be ripped off.

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Reply #40 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 5:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:46am:
TGD,
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I vote Labor


We all know that.   Roll Eyes


I vote against the Liberals.

Because of their hatred of ordinary Australians especially workers, their corruption and dishonesty, their ecanomic incompetance, their hatred of the environment and the dangers they are to Australias future.
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Reply #41 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 5:25pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 5:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:46am:
TGD,
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I vote Labor


We all know that.   Roll Eyes


I vote against the Liberals.

Because of their hatred of ordinary Australians especially workers, their corruption and dishonesty, their ecanomic incompetance, their hatred of the environment and the dangers they are to Australias future.



Except under Howard and Costello we owed no money -
the economy was much better -
house prices were much lower -
all prices were much lower -
we were better off.

Since then both parties have lost their way.
Their policies rely on a never ending money printing machine
and risk hyperinflation.
People won't realise until they need a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread.
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Reply #42 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 6:05pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 5:25pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 5:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 11:46am:
TGD,
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I vote Labor


We all know that.   Roll Eyes


I vote against the Liberals.

Because of their hatred of ordinary Australians especially workers, their corruption and dishonesty, their ecanomic incompetance, their hatred of the environment and the dangers they are to Australias future.


Except under Howard and Costello we owed no money -
the economy was much better -
house prices were much lower -
all prices were much lower -
we were better off.


...Just as a billion and a half Chinese people began raising themselves out of absolute poverty under WTO trade rules, bolstering Howard's coffers which enabled Howard to keep Thatcher's  Neoclassical "taxpayer" delusion alive for a bit longer.

But now the whole world is grinding to a halt under a manufactured Neoclassical  debt crisis.

Solution: 'Public Money: Public Good'.

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

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Since then both parties have lost their way.


Correct, see above.

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Their policies rely on a never ending money printing machine
and risk hyperinflation.
People won't realise until they need a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread.


Incorrect (due to your 'government debt' delusion);  YOU apparently want even less government spending  - meaning more government 'austerity'  - which will mean more poverty amid increasing inequality.

Note: government debt per se doesn't cause hyperinflation:  eg, CNN reports US inflation is "back to 3%",  despite soaring US deficits and debt;  and the US is the G7's fastest growing economy.
   


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Re: Does Labor waste money?
Reply #43 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 6:23pm
 

TGD,
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YOU apparently want even less government spending  -
meaning more government 'austerity'  -
which will mean more poverty amid increasing inequality.


The Govt creating unnecessary jobs in the public service
with borrowed money will not solve our crisis.

Wasting $2 billion on a climate conference will not solve our crisis.

Wasting $368 billion on submarines will not solve our crisis.

They don't have the money for any of that so it gets printed.
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Reply #44 - Nov 16th, 2025 at 7:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 16th, 2025 at 5:25pm:
Except under Howard and Costello we owed no money -
the economy was much better -
house prices were much lower -
all prices were much lower -
we were better off.



the changes to CGT that fueled the property boom was HOWARDS doing dumbarse ..
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