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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #60 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 3:59pm
 

Dear Yadda,
many blessings.

Your posts are so long that I doubt anyone reads them -

make them short and punchy.

forgiven

namaste

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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #61 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 4:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 2:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 1:27pm:
Islamophobia strikes again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


'More educated than most here' Doctor of Divinity is articulating, don't you know.

He is granting us another unique glimpse into his vast learing, original ideas and his ability to articulate them.


What you mean, Soren, is that I pay attention to what mainstream Islamic teachings tell us, unlike, Yadda who only reads what Islamist thought says.  He needs to broaden his understanding of Islamic thought, just as you do, as well.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #62 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 4:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 4:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 2:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 1:27pm:
Islamophobia strikes again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


'More educated than most here' Doctor of Divinity is articulating, don't you know.

He is granting us another unique glimpse into his vast learing, original ideas and his ability to articulate them.


What you mean, Soren, is that I pay attention to what mainstream Islamic teachings tell us, unlike, Yadda who only reads what Islamist thought says.  He needs to broaden his understanding of Islamic thought, just as you do, as well.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Not at all.
What I mean is that you are an idiot, both naturally but also  with additional snivelling, vain, trolling effort -cf your 'Doctor of Divinity.  You cite unreferenced Islamic sources without showing ANY understanding on your part and as if just by citing snippets you have demonstrated understanding. You ARE a vain, trolling ignorant idiot indeed.


There is no innocent infidel in Islam.

Convert, pay the jizz-ya (if you are a Jew or Christian) or be killed if you are anything else.
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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #63 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 4:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 4:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 4:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 2:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 1:27pm:
Islamophobia strikes again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


'More educated than most here' Doctor of Divinity is articulating, don't you know.

He is granting us another unique glimpse into his vast learing, original ideas and his ability to articulate them.


What you mean, Soren, is that I pay attention to what mainstream Islamic teachings tell us, unlike, Yadda who only reads what Islamist thought says.  He needs to broaden his understanding of Islamic thought, just as you do, as well.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Not at all.
What I mean is that you are an idiot, both naturally but also  with additional snivelling, vain, trolling effort -cf your 'Doctor of Divinity.  You cite unreferenced Islamic sources without showing ANY understanding on your part and as if just by citing snippets you have demonstrated understanding. You ARE a vain, trolling ignorant idiot indeed.

There is no innocent infidel in Islam.

Convert, pay the jizz-ya (if you are a Jew or Christian) or be killed if you are anything else.

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The concept of "convert, pay the jizya, or be killed" reflects a historical practice and interpretation of Islamic law that is largely obsolete in modern nation-states. The jizya tax itself has been officially abolished by most Muslim-majority countries for over a century, although extremist groups have attempted to revive the practice in conflict zones.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, another Islamist teaching disciple it seems. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #64 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 5:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 4:57pm:
Quote:
AI Overview
The concept of "convert, pay the jizya, or be killed" reflects a historical practice and interpretation of Islamic law that is largely obsolete in modern nation-states. The jizya tax itself has been officially abolished by most Muslim-majority countries for over a century, although extremist groups have attempted to revive the practice in conflict zones.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, another Islamist teaching disciple it seems. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



AI overview, eh? Your $20 Doctor of Divinity at work.  You evidently do not understand how 'AI overviews' are generated or what their source is.

Man made law is not Islamic law. 'Most Muslim Majority' countries does not mean that Islam is revised, that any part of the Koran and hadiths are reformed, rejected or repudiated.




Quran
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Hadith and Sira
Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - There are many places in the hadith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non-believers. Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"

Sahih Bukhari (53:386) - The command for Muslims to spread Islamic rule by force, subjugating others until they either convert to Islam or pay money, is eternal: Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." This is being recounted during the reign of Umar, Muhammad's companion and the second caliph, who sent conquering armies into non-Muslim Persian and Christian lands (after Muhammad's death).

Sahih Muslim (1:33) - "I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.'s  The "protection" needed by the unbeliever is from Muhammad himself.  In other words, the jizya is paid by the non-Muslim in exchange for not being killed.

Sahih Bukhari (41:19) - "When Allah's Messenger had conquered Khaibar, he wanted to expel the Jews from it as its land became the property of Allah, His Apostle, and the Muslims. Allah's Messenger intended to expel the Jews but they requested him to let them stay there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits. Allah's Messenger told them, "We will let you stay on thus condition, as long as we wish." So, they (i.e. Jews) kept on living there until `Umar forced them [out]." The Khaybar were a peacful farming community that were attacked by surprise and and conquered.  The Jizya in this case was set at half of the non-Muslim's earnings.

Abu Dawud 3006 - An authentic verse narrating more of the story of Khaybar.  Muhammad took what was theirs, including their wives and children.  He even had some of the men killed afterwards, once he had found their wealth.

Ishaq 956 & 962 - "He who withholds the Jizya is an enemy of Allah and His apostle." The words of Muhammad.


The introduction to Chapter 88 of Sahi Bukhari reads "Narrated Ibn Umar that the Prophet said, "My livelihood is under the shade of my spear, and he who disobeys my orders will be humilated by paying Jizya."




To sum up:
The Qur'an contains detailed instructions and examples of how to meet unbelievers. The Qur'an states categorically that Muslims cannot have non-believers as friends, advisors, consultants or protectors (Qur'an 3:118 and 4:144). If a Muslims wife is, or becomes, a disbeliever, the marriage can be discontinued and the dowries paid for them can be demanded back (Qur'an 60:10). The second instruction is that unbelievers should be called to Islam; in fact, the Qur'an says you cannot wage war against unbelievers until you have preached to them. The third instruction is that if they do not convert to Islam, then, they must be fought. The fourth instruction is that if they surrender, or convert, then you must stop waging war. If they do not convert or surrender, then they must be killed. This is the optimum route for Islamist expansion: A tidal wave of war, subjugation and conversion.

The overriding concern is the fight against unbelievers; if this can't be achieved then it is ok to strategically lay low. To achieve more sneaky victories, it is acceptable to deceive, double-cross and break deals. Deals with unbelievers are not real deals, anyway, and are to be broken as soon as more aggressive moves can be made.



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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #65 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 8:34pm
 
Hadith are not the Koran, Soren.  You'd know that if you actually paid attention to Islamic teachings.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #66 - Jan 15th, 2026 at 9:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 8:34pm:
Hadith are not the Koran, Soren.  You'd know that if you actually paid attention to Islamic teachings.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

That is why I cited BOTH the Koran and hadiths. Together they make up Islamic doctrinal authority.

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Reply #67 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 9:53am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 9:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2026 at 8:34pm:
Hadith are not the Koran, Soren.  You'd know that if you actually paid attention to Islamic teachings.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

That is why I cited BOTH the Koran and hadiths. Together they make up Islamic doctrinal authority.



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In the landscape of modern democracies, Australia’s legal system stands as a testament to evolving principles of justice, equality, and individual liberty. Enshrined in the Constitution of 1901, it draws from British common law traditions, adapting through judicial interpretation and parliamentary reform to meet contemporary social needs. This contrasts sharply with sharia law, a comprehensive framework originating in seventh-century Arabia, derived from the Koran (Islam’s divine revelation), the Sunna (the life and sayings of Mohammed as recorded in Hadith collections), and classical Fiqh (jurisprudence). Sharia is not merely a set of religious guidelines but a fixed political and social order, as articulated in authoritative manuals like Reliance of the Traveller (Umdat al-Salik), compiled by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri in the fourteenth century and endorsed by Al-Azhar University in 1991 as a most reliable exposition of orthodox Sunni sharia.
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Reply #68 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:11am
 
What shame, hey, Soren that you also rely on Google AI output although fail to credit it for your legal opinion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #69 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:20am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:11am:
What shame, hey, Soren that you also rely on Google AI output although fail to credit it for your legal opinion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You have one Muslim mate & you think you're an expert on Islam, its Qoran & Hadiths.

Which you will hear many Islamic scholars speak of in conjunction with each other in the use of Islamic doctrine/Law.
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Reply #70 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:21am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:11am:
What shame, hey, Soren that you also rely on Google AI output although fail to credit it for your legal opinion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

huh??

Where did I do that?
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Reply #71 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 1:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:21am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:11am:
What shame, hey, Soren that you also rely on Google AI output although fail to credit it for your legal opinion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

huh??

Where did I do that?


Here.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #72 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 1:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 1:33pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:21am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:11am:
What shame, hey, Soren that you also rely on Google AI output although fail to credit it for your legal opinion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

huh??

Where did I do that?


Here.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You didn't see the link embedded link in the text then.  You just went off half-cocked and bonkers as usual.  With the inevitable idiotic tut tut and eyerolling signalling your supposed superiority.

You are a ridiculous laughing stock, snivelling, vain cockwomble.
But I repeat myself.




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Re: ISLAM is not here to 'migrate' to America
Reply #73 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 2:02pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 1:33pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:21am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:11am:
What shame, hey, Soren that you also rely on Google AI output although fail to credit it for your legal opinion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

huh??

Where did I do that?


Here.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The ironic part is, there's absolutely no threat of Sharia Law in Australia, it's just a convenient catchphrase to mobilise the usual crowd and make them believe all their problems stem from immigrants, rather than the very people instructing them where to point the blame.
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Reply #74 - Jan 16th, 2026 at 2:44pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 2:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 1:33pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:21am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16th, 2026 at 10:11am:
What shame, hey, Soren that you also rely on Google AI output although fail to credit it for your legal opinion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

huh??

Where did I do that?


Here.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The ironic part is, there's absolutely no threat of Sharia Law in Australia, it's just a convenient catchphrase to mobilise the usual crowd and make them believe all their problems stem from immigrants, rather than the very people instructing them where to point the blame.



Oh?! more ironing!!


AFIC National Sharia Board
https://afic.com.au/ansb/

Australian Fatwa Council
https://anic.org.au/australian-fatwa-council/


Sharia has nuffin' do wiv nuffin'!! especially  not wiv Islam and Muslims.

Shurelyshomemishtake - or more likely islamophobic conspiracy.

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