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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19657 Gender:	Re: And Cap'n Zog of Wait Awhile Reply #30 - Nov 17^th, 2025 at 2:11pm John Smith wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 11:39am: It is better for you to say nothing and have people think you might be a fool, then say something and prove to people that you are a fool. I see you are looking in the mirror again.
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Reply #31 - Nov 17^th, 2025 at 4:33pm

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 2:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 11:39am:

It is better for you to say nothing and have people think you might be a fool, then say something and prove to people that you are a fool.

I see you are looking in the mirror again. Grin

you've already proven you're a fool. No need to keep proving it.

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #32 - Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 2:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 11:56am:

because the entire current Oz coal fleet must be replaced over the next decade.

Yes. replaced, just not with renewables. they still can't cut it.

The issue is the cost: whether replaced by new coal, nuclear (and CCS), gas, or renewables backed with batteries, pumped hydro, and a compatible new grid, the cost of electricity will keep increasing for a least a decade and more, making electricity even more unaffordable for low-income consumers and many businesses including much vital large steel and aluminium manufacturing.

Pauline Hanson gave a spirited performance this morning in a debate with the ABC's Sally Sara who showed her total ignorance of economcs when she claimed the transition to net zero in Oz is estimated by some sources to cost "c. $700 billion", compared with Hanson's sources who claim the cost to be more like $7 trillion - obviously Hanson's figure is closer to the truth.

When you say "renewables can't cut it". you are really saying renewables are too expensive, without admitting costs are going to increase regardless of technology employed.

Of course you are an AGW/CO2 denier and filthy fossil advocate; but you will still have to deal with the consequences of unaffordable electricty on the economy and society.

Your plan: hit taxpayers, which must and will be the case because the private sector won't voluntarily invest in new coal and nuclear, CCS etc without government regulation and support which will cost taxpayers.

My plan: government subsidization of the green transition to net zero, funded with free public money, not taxpayer money.

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China gets 87% of power from fossil fuel, and they plan to reduce emissions by 7% by 2035 on the back of current emission increases. Wink

OK, China is evil...I get it - though your above stats are 'woolly',
from where did you dredge them up?

Compared with google

(google)

China gets c. 55-59% of its primary energy from coal, a share that has been decreasing but still dominates the country's energy mix.

and

(google)

in June 2024, renewables generated over 40% of China's electricity, and in 2023, the percentage was around 29% of total electricity generation

cf.

(google)

In 2024, renewable energy accounted for 36% of Australia's total electricity generation, up from 35% in 2023

Ouch: China's renewable usage increased from 29-40% from 2023 to 2024.

Oz's increased from 35-36% over the same period.

Who is transitioning the fastest?

.......

That's enough for your crippled Conservative brain to deal with: I expect you will remain incapable of understanding the difference between taxpayer money and government money - a lack of understanding which will result in the collapse of democracy as debt-burdened governments are no longer able to fund vital social services, long before net zero is reached.

eg, today Albo (supposedly the "caring" PM) who is as clueless as you are about money, has told the premiers he can no longer fund their public hospitals under present federal funding arrangements; naturally the premiers and doctors are squealing like banshees...

It's the "cost", you see..... i

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Reply #33 - Nov 18^th, 2025 at 3:18pm

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 2:04pm:

(re the "Atlantic Council"'s Neoclassical assessment of China's economy):

"As the pooh-bahs of the Chinese Communist Party gathered recently to extol their vision for urban modernization, China’s paramount leader Xi Jinping offered an assessment of recent developments that appeared slightly at odds with the upbeat tone of the proceedings. The president said that “(I)n the past, GDP was used to judge heroes,” but “One beautiful thing covered a hundred ugly things. Nowadays, in many matters, one ugliness covers a hundred beautiful things.”

(If Xi is saying there's more to an economy than GDP, then he's addressing an important point.)

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Yet as China’s cities, counties, and provinces confront slower economic growth and fiscal belt-tightening, the leadership didn’t mention the “one ugliness” that is weighing on local governments—trillions of dollars of debt.

(Now we see the 'Atlantic Council's ignorant Neoclassical anaylsis.
Local government debt which has fostered increases in living standards and improved infrastructure without causing inflation can be managed by the Treasury and PBofC, the nation's currency-issuing agencies.)

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That is because the Chinese government already has declared victory over local government debt and seems to be moving on. A three-year debt restructuring initiative launched last November refinances ten trillion yuan ($1.39 trillion) of “hidden debt,” or bonds issued by investment companies known as local government financing vehicles (LGFVs). But LGFV bonds are only one part of a much larger problem. Local governments throughout China are also on the hook for trillions of dollars of bank loans, unpaid bills, and other obligations that remain unaddressed."

(Thank God they "seem to be moving on" (if indeed that is the case); China is currently suffering deflation after its private housing bubble burst in 2021 (like Japan's did in 1990, after which Japan's economy stopped growing).
And re the supposed inability of LGFVs to deal with a "much larger debt problem": the Atlantic Council isn't aware that:

(google)

Emergence of private banks: Private banks have only been allowed to enter the market since 2015, and in 2023 their market share was still negligible.

...Private banks can't write-off debt like public banks can, ie, public banks which barely exist in the West.

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....."beijing-extends-and-pretends-to-deal-with-its-mountain-of-local-government
-debt/"

....."pretends" - the erroneous Neoclassical narrative.

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Chinese Politicians climb the ladder because of gigantic Ponzi Schemes, the lower ranks need to keep the lie going. It is what caused the building bubble etc, they got approval, they got finance... from the regional governments.

No, the private sector (but state-bank-fueled) credit boom caused the bubble, when citizens thought they would get rich quick via investing in private housing.

Xi was remorseful for the CCP's mismagement of the private housing market: "houses are for living in, not investment vehicles".

Now - about Oz's own housing boom.....is an entire generation going to be locked out of home-ownership, forced to become renters in an unafforable private market?

Stay tuned....

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Reply #34 - Nov 18^th, 2025 at 4:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

When you say "renewables can't cut it". you are really saying renewables are too expensive, without admitting costs are going to increase regardless of technology employed.

No they can't do the job. Period. NO manufacturing Country is solely renewable. Germany , UK etc are sending their jobs offshore, despite renewables, not because they are somehow "cheaper". Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

Of course you are an AGW/CO2 denier and filthy fossil advocate; but you will still have to deal with the consequences of unaffordable electricty on the economy and society.

Yes, Made worse by renewables. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

government subsidization of the green transition to net zero, funded with free public money, not taxpayer money.

Yes, back to the Never, Never. Where unicorns fly over the rainbow. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

- though your above stats are 'woolly',
from where did you dredge them up?

Unlike you, they have a source -

"according to a recent article by The Wall Street Journa"

It points out that China remains the world’s largest coal consumer — fossil fuels supply over 87% of its primary energy. "

https://microgridmedia.com/chinas-green-energy-revolution/

Now unless you can show China has reduced coal, which on its face is impossible, given the new coal plants now online and those approved. Perhaps you can come up with an authoritative source, Google is not. Wink

Coal down by 26%? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

Who is transitioning the fastest?

Who cares? China is still growing coal share. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

today Albo

Albo, like you is a failed puppet, not an economist. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 3:18pm:

Local government debt which has fostered increases in living standards and improved infrastructure without causing inflation can be managed by the Treasury and PBofC, the nation's currency-issuing agencies.)

Another unsupported statement. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 3:18pm:

(Thank God they "seem to be moving on" (if indeed that is the case); China is currently suffering deflation after its private housing bubble burst in 2021 (like Japan's did in 1990, after which Japan's economy stopped growing).

Yes, They CLAIMED victory. So easy. Claim victory, move on. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 3:18pm:

The private sector (but state-bank-fueled) credit boom caused the bubble, when citizens thought they would get rich quick via investing in private housing.

Exactly State backed, Ponzi Scheme unable to pay back. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 3:18pm:

Xi was remorseful for the CCP's mismagement of the private housing market: "houses are for living in, not investment vehicles".

It is so easy to be "remorseful" after having orchestrated it. I wonder how much Xi benefited? Grin

BTW - I see you dropped India's "emergency". Wink

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Reply #35 - Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm

lee wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 4:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 1:29pm:

When you say "renewables can't cut it". you are really saying renewables are too expensive, without admitting costs are going to increase regardless of technology employed.

No they can't do the job. Period.
NO manufacturing Country is solely renewable;

But Oz can do it (even without nuclear) : we are 27 million living in a sunny, windy (mainly) desert the size of China.

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Germay, UK etc are sending their jobs offshore, despite renewables, not because they are somehow "cheaper".

Dummy, renewables AREN'T cheaper, which is why those countries are back- sliding on their Paris commitments.

As for "sending jobs offshore": that's been happening under WTO Neoclassical freetrade rules for decades - hence the "1st world rust belt" - as Japan then China became the 'world's factory'.

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Made worse by renewables.

Dummy: ALL new energy is increasing in costs which are unbearable by consumers and industry.

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Unlike you, they have a source -

"according to a recent article by The Wall Street Journal"

It points out that China remains the world’s largest coal consumer — fossil fuels supply over 87% of its primary energy. "

No link? What year?

Nevertheless

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/07/china-fossil-fuel-us-climate...

(Sept. 2025)

‘There is only one player’: why China is becoming a world leader in green energy

As US reneges on climate breakdown pledges, China’s response to crisis will shape geopolitics and our future.

.....In that sense, the tanks, cannon and missiles that filed past Tiananmen Square may well prove less important in reshaping the world order than the wind turbines, solar panels and electric cars that are churning out of Chinese factories on to fields and roads all over the planet. They are the reason China has already won the battle for the energy of the 21st century.
If history is any guide, the country that dominates energy usually dominates economics and politics, which is why it is not just old war allies that are cosying up to Beijing.
Narendra Modi, the president of longtime rival India, also visited China last week for the biggest ever meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation along with dozens of other regional leaders.
The European Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, led a delegation to Beijing this summer to coordinate climate policy.
The Brazilian executive secretary of Cop30 will visit next week with a similar mission, knowing the success or failure of the annual climate summit now depends on China more than any other nation.

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Albo, like you is a failed puppet, not an economist. Wink

As if YOU have a clue how to fund Oz's public hospitals (funding cut by Albo today to 'save money' as per your Neoclassical idiocy); and how to fund new coal which the private sector isn't interested in funding given competition from renewables which are desired by 2/3 of the electorate - no businessman will invest in that scenario.

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Yes, They CLAIMED victory. So easy. Claim victory, move on.

Dummy: Xi rejected that proposition (of victory), can't you read?

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Exactly State backed, Ponzi Scheme unable to pay back. Wink

Dummy: the private sector housing ponzi scheme (like the Oz housing market) was fueled by easy bank-issued credit, albeit in the nation's public banks cf the private banks in Oz.

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It is so easy to be "remorseful" after having orchestrated it. I wonder how much Xi benefited?

Says the blind, dumb, private sector-free enterprise ideologue: China's experience with private markets only extends back to the 2000s; Xi failed to forsee the comingbank-credit fueled 'housing as get rich quick' scheme typical of private sector housing booms (after Japan's in1990, the GFC caused by the US was the next big one).

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BTW - I see you dropped India's "emergency". Wink

I dropped it? News to me....

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Reply #36 - Nov 18^th, 2025 at 7:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

But Oz can do it (even without nuclear) : we are 27 million living in a sunny, windy (mainly) desert the size of China.

That doesn't stop wind and solar droughts. Unless you have solar panels and wind turbines, everywhere. Even in the oceans. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

renewables AREN'T cheaper, which is why those countries are back- sliding on their Paris commitments.

You should talk to the nutters on here that insist they are. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

As for "sending jobs offshore": that's been happening under WTO Neoclassical freetrade rules for decades - hence the "1st world rust belt" - as Japan then China became the 'world's factory'.

And it is accelerating. With your bloved China leading the way. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

ALL new energy is increasing in costs which are unbearable by consumers and industry.

That deosn't negate the argument. When you have to pay for backup power because the wind is not blowing, or it is cloudy, you have to pay for the renewables plus thebackup power. Paying twice for the sdame power. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

No link? What year?

https://microgridmedia.com/chinas-green-energy-revolution/

That was the link dummy. Roll Eyes

Dated - November 10, 2025

Recent enough for you? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

‘There is only one player’: why China is becoming a world leader in green energy

Yes pet The guardian - the protector of the worlds morals, the worlds environment. So what was the source? Wink

"Last year, the world’s biggest carbon emitter registered a very slight decline in greenhouse gas output. "

Despite 21GW of completed coal plants in 2024 and 26GW of coal plant approved this year. That sounds really believable. /sarc. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

how to fund new coal which the private sector isn't interested in funding given competition from renewables which are desired by 2/3 of the electorate

You really are that stupid. The private sector won't invest in coal because the various governments have been denigrating coal, warning of stranded assets.
2/3 of the electorate? Now it is good for Australia decided by a poll of people with no engineering, economics between them. That sound rather like you. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

Xi rejected that proposition (of victory), can't you read?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 3:18pm:

That is because the Chinese government already has declared victory over local government debt and seems to be moving on.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

the private sector housing ponzi scheme (like the Oz housing market) was fueled by easy bank-issued credit, albeit in the nation's public banks cf the private banks in Oz.

Yes. The banks not only facilitated it they endorsed it. The State banks. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

China's experience with private markets only extends back to the 2000s

And they don't get western news. Got it. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2025 at 6:13pm:

I dropped it?

Well it was your initial claim that India had a lfe expectancy problem, and when I replied you didn't back up your claim. That means you dropped it.

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Reply #37 - Nov 19^th, 2025 at 8:23am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13^th, 2025 at 4:43pm:

lee wrote on Nov 13^th, 2025 at 10:42am:

Green energy is too expensive due to intermittency. It would require multiple expensive batteries.

The batteries are currently available; the grid needs to be upgraded.

Naturally the filthy fossil industry doesn't want to invest in the green economy - and private investors won't do so without government guidelines - because filthy fossils (including for smelting iron) are very lucrative (unlike free sunshine and wind).

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Nothing a politician likes more is GREEN. Money, energy... Wink

Susan Ley is on stronger ground today, by pointing to the cost of the transition which - as she correctly says - is pushing up electricity prices.

Solution: the government opens a special account at treasury, named 'green financing', and funds it with free treasury-issued money.

Then Oz can buy all the batteries and new grid it needs, for free....

Please tell us why or how this would cause inflation, given private investors could spend the same amount of money - but won't without being assured the fossil industry must be radically reduced by (say) 2040...sorry for the suggestion, Susan.

You must live under the same rock a Smith.

The fossil fuel industries have also been investing in the mad renewables drive to cash in on the subsidies.

They difference being they also know we need a balanced mix of methods of supply because renewables(so called) on their own are just a ridiculous pipe dream.

Batteries might be available but they extremely expensive & have to be huge in footprint. They are used mostly to even out supply from intermittent/fluctuating power from wind & solar. If required to supply the grid during a power outage/failure they have a very limited supply time before they are exhausted.

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

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Reply #38 - Nov 19^th, 2025 at 8:40am

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 11:23am:

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 2:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2025 at 11:20am:

That's right, we need hundreds of them; but also combined with millions of small batteries connected to PVs on all suitable household roofs, subsidized by (....free) government money.

Now we are talking GWs of storage equivalent to the entire Oz energy output and usage.

Storage is measured in GigaWatt Hours not gigawatts. And since you don't know that you don't know the cost. Except for you ideology wher it is "freeeee". Grin

At least you acknowledged the "cost" of the millions of household batteries and hundreds of large grid-scale batteries required to ensure supply (regardless of variable local sun and wind accordng to time) is the issue, not the unit of measurement of storage.

As for "freeeee" being an ideology, that's funny, coming from you.

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Yes. Have you heard of China doing that or have you heard of them stealing technology and selling at a discount? Roll Eyes

China IS discussing co-operation with Global South nations, because China believes in the global green economy, unlike you, Trump and the Coalition.

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Under your scenario it is only China that can get rich. Manufacturing under licence means ongoing paymwents to China. Roll Eyes

See above. Currency swaps to replace debt are practicable.

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Ah logic, as espoused by you.

Notice you didn't dare answer: what's your problem with free money created by the legal currency-issuer?

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As decided by the government with no input from anyone, except those benefiting from the sub sisies.

Says the blind free-market ideologue: note - market failures are caused by ....the market, not government which always has to clean up the private sector's mess.

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So a rental tax is not a rental tax.

It's a tax on private companies exploiting the Commonwealth's resources, for private profit.

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Nope. They belong to wherever it b lows at that time.

Your absurd conclusion: sun and wind "belong" only to those where sun and wind is available at the time - which is everyone, depending on the time.

Unlike fossils which don't "belong" to everyone, except in a nationalized system - which is indeed what the global energy system needs in the AGW/CO2 filthy-fossil emergency.

So .... can you explain - logically - your problem with free treasury-issued money, to fund storage?

Close to the biggest BS you've ever posted.

Yet China is still the fastest builder of coal fired & nuclear power stations on the planet.

And by your own admission control the global manufacturing & market of green(renewables) wind & solar equipment.

All made from energy & resources from fossil fuels.

Hypocrisy writ large.

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

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Reply #39 - Nov 19^th, 2025 at 8:45am

John Smith wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 11:39am:

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2025 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 9:40pm:

lee wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 16^th, 2025 at 1:24pm:

no, the topic is green energy.

so now nuclear is Green energy? That should make the Greens happy. Grin

no one said nuclear is green energy dumbarse Cheesy

has life always been a struggle for you?

So then, if the topic is green energy, then you are by definition, OFF TOPIC. Grin

It is better for you to say nothing and have people think you might be a fool, then say something and prove to people that you are a fool. Roll Eyes

You looking in a mirror mouthing that word by word as you type it?

You wanker he got you by the short & curlies yet you claim victory. Grin

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Reply #40 - Nov 19^th, 2025 at 11:03am

Gnads wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 8:23am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 13^th, 2025 at 4:43pm:

lee wrote on Nov 13^th, 2025 at 10:42am:

Green energy is too expensive due to intermittency. It would require multiple expensive batteries.

Nothing a politician likes more is GREEN. Money, energy... Wink

You must live under the same rock a Smith.

No; John - like you, Albo and most of the population - doesn't understand money is created ex nihilo.

So today we see Albo cutting CSIRO and funding for public hospitals to save taxpayer money, when the treasury can create the damn stuff ex nihilo, without cauing inflation.

No wonder the cynics refer to a poltical choice between'tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee'.

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The fossil fuel industries have also been investing in the mad renewables drive to cash in on the subsidies.

Of course, they accept the world has signed up to the Paris commitments - while still wanting to exploit lucrative filthy fossils).

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They difference being they also know we need a balanced mix of methods of supply because renewables(so called) on their own are just a ridiculous pipe dream.

Now the lee nonsense: Oz can easily power itself with renewables, given its vast sunny, windy deserts ....and Singapore as well (who doesn't have these).

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Batteries might be available but they extremely expensive & have to be huge in footprint. They are used mostly to even out supply from intermittent/fluctuating power from wind & solar. If required to supply the grid during a power outage/failure they have a very limited supply time before they are exhausted.

The combination of large grid-scale batteries with millions of small domestic rooftop-connected batteries will provide massive storage capacity.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 14282 Gender:	Re: And Cap'n Zog of Wait Awhile Reply #42 - Nov 19^th, 2025 at 11:38am Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 11:35am: Nuclear has its place in the mix but it is expensive! Love the crap about subsidies for renewables, as if fossil fuels don’t get hefty subsidies. Spot on!
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Reply #44 - Nov 19^th, 2025 at 12:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 11:03am:

Oz can easily power itself with renewables, given its vast sunny, windy deserts

You keep saying that. 12,000 acres for up to 3GW, firmed by batteries, generators etc, out of "the largest solar farm". If 3GW of power is generated per hour that is 3GWh of power.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 11:03am:

.and Singapore as well

Singapore is touted by Sunacable as receiving 1.75GW out of the 3GW.

"Diversification of renewable energy supply and increased energy security through supply of 1.75GW renewable electricity"

https://www.suncable.energy/our-projects

So Australia gets to keep less than 1.25GW, because of line losses. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19^th, 2025 at 11:03am:

The combination of large grid-scale batteries with millions of small domestic rooftop-connected batteries will provide massive storage capacity.

And then you need to upgrade the grid cables to the houses, almost everywhere. Roll Eyes

Just how much is "massive storage capacity"? Remember the intermittency. It can go from zero to maximum in the blink of an eye. What do you think that does to the current draw on tghe transmission lines? Roll Eyes

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