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Is Australia a Crypto-Republic?
Nov 9th, 2025 at 9:16am
 
With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?
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Reply #1 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 11:19am
 
Whitlam and Hawke permanently decoupled Australia from Britain, without a messy referendum, to deliver what is functionally a republic.

They left all the symbols and symbolism intact - the 'monarch', the 'monarch's representative', the 'crown'...

Kerr's actions were a backlash to Whitlam's covert, crypto-republicanism, which single-handedly, and disgracefully, resurrected from the near-dead the monarch's reserve powers - powers that had not been used in hundreds of years and were on the verge of being considered extinct.
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Reply #2 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 11:48am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 11:19am:
Kerr's actions were a backlash to Whitlam's covert, crypto-republicanism, which single-handedly, and disgracefully, resurrected from the near-dead the monarch's reserve powers - powers that had not been used in hundreds of years and were on the verge of being considered extinct.

It lends credibility to the accusation that the Palace was covertly encouraging Kerr to move against the Whitlam government, and why, when post-dismissal, it all went tits-up for Kerr, the Palace went out of its way to encourage a cover-up of the Palace's involvement in the whole sordid affair, by asking Kerr to exclude all mention of it in his autobiography, 'Matters for Judgement', which he slavishly did.

Further to that, Elizabeth II personally requested that the National Archives of Australia continue to keep Kerr's written Palace accounts permanently sealed... it took a High Court decision to undermine this secrecy.

Ironically, no such royal request was imposed on the Canadian archives office when the papers of its governor-general of the era were requested.
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Reply #3 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:07pm
 
Kerr should have given Whitlam the chance to call an election before sacking him. In any case the people decided the matter at the post dismissal election.
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Reply #4 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:13pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:07pm:
Kerr should have given Whitlam the chance to call an election before sacking him. In any case the people decided the matter at the post dismissal election.

Yes. Something Hasluck would probably have done - Let Whitlam have his half-senate election... let the Whitlam government lumber on until it expired, then let the people decide which, given the mounting Labor scandals, would likely have delivered the same outcome without the atrocious G-G machinations.

Kerr would have ended his time as G-G without the people's contempt he endured for the rest of his life, culminating in his self-imposed exile from Australia.
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Reply #5 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:22pm
 
Whitlam could have called an election. He didn't.

Kerr forced one. Whitlam was wiped out. And Whitlam was wiped out again two years later.


A parliamentary deadlock, made entirely by politicians, was referred to the people for resolution. And the people resolved it.

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Reply #6 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:22pm:
Whitlam could have called an election. He didn't.

Kerr forced one. Whitlam was wiped out. And Whitlam was wiped out again two years later.


A parliamentary deadlock, made entirely by politicians, was referred to the people for resolution. And the people resolved it.


Whitlam advised a half-senate election. Kerr rejected Whitlam's advice.

That was the core of the constitutional crisis - that a G-G could reject a PM's lawful advice under the aegis of reserve powers - powers that Kerr was obsessed with, even though they were considered likely extinct, having not been used for over 250 years.
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Reply #7 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:46pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:28pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:22pm:
Whitlam could have called an election. He didn't.

Kerr forced one. Whitlam was wiped out. And Whitlam was wiped out again two years later.


A parliamentary deadlock, made entirely by politicians, was referred to the people for resolution. And the people resolved it.


Whitlam advised a half-senate election. Kerr rejected Whitlam's advice.



A half senate election WITHOUT a House of Reps election at the same time.
Kerr rejected that.
Frazer proposed a House of Reps and half Senate election.
Whitlam rejected that.

Double dissolution, elections for the House and full Senate.

Sorted.
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Reply #8 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 1:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:46pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:28pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 12:22pm:
Whitlam could have called an election. He didn't.

Kerr forced one. Whitlam was wiped out. And Whitlam was wiped out again two years later.


A parliamentary deadlock, made entirely by politicians, was referred to the people for resolution. And the people resolved it.


Whitlam advised a half-senate election. Kerr rejected Whitlam's advice.



A half senate election WITHOUT a House of Reps election at the same time.
Kerr rejected that.
Frazer proposed a House of Reps and half Senate election.
Whitlam rejected that.

Double dissolution, elections for the House and full Senate.

Sorted.

He had to reject Whitlam's lawful advice using reserve powers to dismiss Whitlam's government - that was the core of the crisis.

The same G-G shenanigans have never been repeated anywhere - Kerr's actions being a dark and deeply cautionary tale against resurrecting ancient regal powers that were and still are moving into extinction.
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Reply #9 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 1:16pm
 
If Australia is functionally a republic - a crypto-republic if you will - what, exactly, would Australians be asked to vote on in a referendum on the matter?
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Reply #10 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 1:31pm
 
Post-dismissal, Kerr persisted with his reserve powers obsession by musing with the Palace over dismissing Fraser's government after Fraser had grown sick of the old bastard's meddling.

This time, the Palace wasted no time disabusing Kerr of any pretensions that he'd have the Palace's support for another swat at the hornet's nest... Kerr 'dutifully' complied.

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Reply #11 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 1:38pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 9:16am:
With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?

Right now?!
Australia is a Leftism country of American Media isms and narratives


We all know that Australians not having a fight against all things British with absolutism rejection.
...makes America (Left) look bad.

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Reply #12 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 9:16am:
With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?

Right now?!
Australia is a Leftism country of American Media isms and narratives

In American terms, Australia's politically conservative right would be considered leftist... Labor is considered extreme left, if not communist, by American standards.
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Reply #13 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 6:36pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:40pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 9:16am:
With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?

Right now?!
Australia is a Leftism country of American Media isms and narratives

In American terms, Australia's politically conservative right would be considered leftist... Labor is considered extreme left, if not communist, by American standards.

Nonsense.

Like the son of Pakistan, you are stuck, mentally, in the 60s.
Sclerotic old farts.


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Reply #14 - Nov 9th, 2025 at 6:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 6:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 2:40pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 9:16am:
With the Whitlam government's ending of the British honours system in Australia, the Australia Act of 1986 ending the last vestiges of Australia's legislative and governance subordination to Britain, the Head of State defined as the Queen/King of Australia (as opposed to the UK), 'the Crown' subtlely redefined as 'the Crown of Australia'...

With all authority completely vested in Australian-only institutions and governance, what part of a republic are we not already governed by?

Right now?!
Australia is a Leftism country of American Media isms and narratives

In American terms, Australia's politically conservative right would be considered leftist... Labor is considered extreme left, if not communist, by American standards.

Nonsense.

Like the son of Pakistan, you are stuck, mentally, in the 60s.
Sclerotic old farts.



Why do you bother smearing your opinion all over a politics forum, Agatha Frank (they/thm)?

There's nothing you know anything about... What the f~ck did you teach?
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