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Reply #30 - Nov 11th, 2025 at 1:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
1. It is NOT the denomination that it printed on the physical dollar bill, evidently, since what the value of what the particular bill can be exchanged for diminishes during the life of the physical object that is the dollar bill. So the bill symbolises something apart from itself. This is so painfully simple that it hardly needs saying, except to you.


You wrote:

You are confusing value with bank notes.

I explained 'value' of money ie the value of the dollar bill, is measured by what you can buy.

Now are saying - because money's  value (purchasing power)  changes with inflation, the currency's 'value' is "something apart" from the denomination of the currency,  ie the dollar bill. 

Obviously wrong: the dollar's (the currency's) 'value' is still measured by what it can buy, despite inflation (and devaulation of the currency).

You are merely confusing matters and asserting government money whether free treasury-issued money, or reserve bank interest-bearing  money,  causes inflation, which is the mainstream narrative; but regardless of that assertion, the fact remains:  bank notes  (now mostly digital) have 'value' so long as you can purchase the necessities of life with them (eg, when making purchases using your electronic bank cards). 


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2. housing market = houses + people needing houses. If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there n ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.


Obviously an inadequate analysis, despite the fact excessive immigration IS making matters worse at present, without proper policies to deal with it.   

eg, in the post-war years, Menzies ensured funding of houses for all -  whether in the public or private sector (and whether via rents or ownership), at a time when Oz was experiencing an immigration population boom.....with housing for all funded via the  Keynesian 'welfare state'/'deficit spending' economy of the time.   

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You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.


Government can certainly maintain a pubic housing sector to keep a lid on private housing prices.

But the Thatcher-Reagan "taxpayer" money delusion, and subsequent privatization ideology, destroyed government commitment to public housing.

In the age of floating exchange rate fiat currencies (ie, post gold standard), government can fund public housing with free treasury issued money  - up to point when all available resources are being utilized.

Note: in today's unaffordable market,  builders are going broke because prices are sky-high, and hence the number of houses being built in Oz is actually falling,  so there IS 'slack' among builders which is available to be utilized straight away.    

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Again, painfully simple yet not grasped by politicians. Or maybe it IS grasped and they do want too have a housing crisis (and all sorts of other crises, all the time. There would be no need for politicians if there were no crises. The absence of politicians would go unnoticed in such a world.


Many politicians - like many citizens - are rent-seeking landlords who don't want to see house prices return to an affordable level....
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Reply #31 - Nov 11th, 2025 at 2:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:22am:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:00am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?

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Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 


AAAANNNDDD........ he's OFF!!!



What do YOU think the value of a dollar is?

And how would YOU solve the dysfunctional private-sector Oz - and Chinese - housing markets?


1. It is NOT the denomination that it printed on the physical dollar bill, evidently, since what the value of what the particular bill can be exchanged for diminishes during the life of the physical object that is the dollar bill. So the bill symbolises something apart from itself. This is so painfully simple that it hardly needs saying, except to you.

2. housing market = houses + people needing houses. If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there n ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.



You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.

Again, painfully simple yet not grasped by politicians. Or maybe it IS grasped and they do want too have a housing crisis (and all sorts of other crises, all the time. There would be no need for politicians if there were no crises. The absence of politicians would go unnoticed in such a world.


There you go, Great. We don't have enough people.

Painfully simple. We'll need to import a few more. They just need to be the right shade of tanned.

Not tinted.
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Reply #32 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 9:10am
 
So if you were ever in any doubt about the Forum Commie Islamic Extremists - doubt yourself no longer - on full display in this thread - the commie scum who would sell out Australia and see the extinction of our once great nation and its people.
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Reply #33 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 9:13am
 
So true Serialbrain.
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Reply #34 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 9:40am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 2:22pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:22am:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:00am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?

Quote:
Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 


AAAANNNDDD........ he's OFF!!!



What do YOU think the value of a dollar is?

And how would YOU solve the dysfunctional private-sector Oz - and Chinese - housing markets?


1. It is NOT the denomination that it printed on the physical dollar bill, evidently, since what the value of what the particular bill can be exchanged for diminishes during the life of the physical object that is the dollar bill. So the bill symbolises something apart from itself. This is so painfully simple that it hardly needs saying, except to you.

2. housing market = houses + people needing houses. If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there n ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.



You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.

Again, painfully simple yet not grasped by politicians. Or maybe it IS grasped and they do want too have a housing crisis (and all sorts of other crises, all the time. There would be no need for politicians if there were no crises. The absence of politicians would go unnoticed in such a world.


There you go, Great. We don't have enough people.

Painfully simple. We'll need to import a few more. They just need to be the right shade of tanned.

Not tinted.

What are you, a BBC or ABC News director?


Not enough people TO BUILD HOUSES, grimacing trouser sniffer.

Most of the "skilled migrants" are pushing trolleys or taking your payment at the petrol station or the Krappy Mart.

We are importing a huge net burden on the country.
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Reply #35 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 10:12am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 9:40am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 2:22pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:22am:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:00am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 10:13am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 9th, 2025 at 4:28pm:
The great divide is a Chinese bot.


Are you sure..... or is this just your style of an ad hominem?

Quote:
Designed to spread ludicrous economic theory in the west.
Best ignored


In the West?

Note: the Western (ie, Harvard)-trained economists in the PBofC are equally deluded by Neoclassical orthodoxy, now that China has largely adopted free markets. 

China needs to reclaim the 'common prosperity' aspects of   
socialism'. 

Step 1: nationalize the housing industry, to stabilize collapsing private house prices (the opposite problem to Oz). 


AAAANNNDDD........ he's OFF!!!



What do YOU think the value of a dollar is?

And how would YOU solve the dysfunctional private-sector Oz - and Chinese - housing markets?


1. It is NOT the denomination that it printed on the physical dollar bill, evidently, since what the value of what the particular bill can be exchanged for diminishes during the life of the physical object that is the dollar bill. So the bill symbolises something apart from itself. This is so painfully simple that it hardly needs saying, except to you.

2. housing market = houses + people needing houses. If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there n ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.



You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.

Again, painfully simple yet not grasped by politicians. Or maybe it IS grasped and they do want too have a housing crisis (and all sorts of other crises, all the time. There would be no need for politicians if there were no crises. The absence of politicians would go unnoticed in such a world.


There you go, Great. We don't have enough people.

Painfully simple. We'll need to import a few more. They just need to be the right shade of tanned.

Not tinted.

What are you, a BBC or ABC News director?


Not enough people TO BUILD HOUSES, grimacing trouser sniffer.

Most of the "skilled migrants" are pushing trolleys or taking your payment at the petrol station or the Krappy Mart.

We are importing a huge net burden on the country.


Thanks, Frank. Not enough tanned people TO BUILD HOUSES.

As you point out, the superior leisured races keep up their tans by lounging round the pool.

Correlation not causation, innit.
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Reply #36 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.


You are ignoring the other factors  I pointed to:

eg, an overpriced housing market, which is resulting in less houses being built despite the existing capacity of the building industry to maintain its former  rate of new builds, but which is decreasing.

(google)

...recent data showing a decline in commencements and completions despite ongoing demand.

Where have all the existing builders gone, apart from going broke?
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Reply #37 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:56pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:36pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.


You are ignoring the other factors  I pointed to:

eg, an overpriced housing market, which is resulting in less houses being built despite the existing capacity of the building industry to maintain its former  rate of new builds, but which is decreasing.

(google)

...recent data showing a decline in commencements and completions despite ongoing demand.

Where have all the existing builders gone, apart from going broke?



You stupid buggers are ALL ABC and BBC news editors now, leaving out pertinent bits so you can yammer on moronically.  What IS with the creepy gweggyesque, thicko Smith-like editing of posts so you buggers can just bang on about your monomanias regardless of what is said to you in black and white?? Where do you get this mania from? WTF??



You deleted/ignored this bit of my post, manic little parrot:

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If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there an ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.




Now bugger orf.

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Reply #38 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 3:48pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:36pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.


You are ignoring the other factors  I pointed to:

eg, an overpriced housing market, which is resulting in less houses being built despite the existing capacity of the building industry to maintain its former  rate of new builds, but which is decreasing.

(google)

...recent data showing a decline in commencements and completions despite ongoing demand.

Where have all the existing builders gone, apart from going broke?



You stupid buggers are ALL ABC and BBC news editors now, leaving out pertinent bits so you can yammer on moronically.  What IS with the creepy gweggyesque, thicko Smith-like editing of posts so you buggers can just bang on about your monomanias regardless of what is said to you in black and white?? Where do you get this mania from? WTF??


Oh dear...read on, to set the record straight:

Quote:
You deleted/ignored this bit of my post, manic little parrot:

(Frank) If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there an ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.


YOU apparently ignored my earlier comment in #30, namely

"Note: in today's unaffordable market,  builders are going broke because prices are sky-high, and hence the number of houses being built in Oz is actually falling,  so there IS 'slack' among builders which is available to be utilized straight away".   

Quote:
Now bugger orf.


Unlike the BBC editor who DID misleading splice together some comments from Trump, YOU simply failed to address my comment in #30, which I had to repeat in #36.

As for biased editing, every media outlet including the ABC  has biased journalists; today a report on ABC radio noted  "Burgess says China cyber attacks on Oz are increasing".

But halfway down,  in an earlier  written news item,  Burgess added "everyone is doing it in this age of geopolitical  contest."....not reported on the radio report.


The ABC - got to maintain the 'China threat' theory,  eh.... 


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Reply #39 - Nov 12th, 2025 at 4:03pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 3:48pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:36pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.


You are ignoring the other factors  I pointed to:

eg, an overpriced housing market, which is resulting in less houses being built despite the existing capacity of the building industry to maintain its former  rate of new builds, but which is decreasing.

(google)

...recent data showing a decline in commencements and completions despite ongoing demand.

Where have all the existing builders gone, apart from going broke?



You stupid buggers are ALL ABC and BBC news editors now, leaving out pertinent bits so you can yammer on moronically.  What IS with the creepy gweggyesque, thicko Smith-like editing of posts so you buggers can just bang on about your monomanias regardless of what is said to you in black and white?? Where do you get this mania from? WTF??


Oh dear...read on, to set the record straight:

Quote:
You deleted/ignored this bit of my post, manic little parrot:

(Frank) If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there an ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.


YOU apparently ignored my earlier comment in #30, namely

"Note: in today's unaffordable market,  builders are going broke because prices are sky-high, and hence the number of houses being built in Oz is actually falling,  so there IS 'slack' among builders which is available to be utilized straight away".   

Quote:
Now bugger orf.


Unlike the BBC editor who DID misleading splice together some comments from Trump, YOU simply failed to address my comment in #30, which I had to repeat in #36.

As for biased editing, every media outlet including the ABC  has biased journalists; today a report on ABC radio noted  "Burgess says China cyber attacks on Oz are increasing".

But halfway down,  in an earlier  written news item,  Burgess added "everyone is doing it in this age of geopolitical  contest."....not reported on the radio report.


The ABC - got to maintain the 'China threat' theory,  eh.... 



I addressed your #36
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Reply #40 - Nov 13th, 2025 at 10:48am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 4:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 3:48pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 12th, 2025 at 12:36pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2025 at 11:51am:
You can print all the money in the world if approvals to build take too long and there aren't enough people and materials to actually build houses while there is a steady influx of new demand.


You are ignoring the other factors  I pointed to:

eg, an overpriced housing market, which is resulting in less houses being built despite the existing capacity of the building industry to maintain its former  rate of new builds, but which is decreasing.

(google)

...recent data showing a decline in commencements and completions despite ongoing demand.

Where have all the existing builders gone, apart from going broke?



You stupid buggers are ALL ABC and BBC news editors now, leaving out pertinent bits so you can yammer on moronically.  What IS with the creepy gweggyesque, thicko Smith-like editing of posts so you buggers can just bang on about your monomanias regardless of what is said to you in black and white?? Where do you get this mania from? WTF??


Oh dear...read on, to set the record straight:

Quote:
You deleted/ignored this bit of my post, manic little parrot:

(Frank) If you have a housing market crisis then you have either too few houses or too many people, which, ultimately, the same thing. How many houses are we building each year, every year? How many new people come onto the housing market each year, every year? Why is there an ever growing gap between the two? Because of government policies. Government policies make construction too slow and the influx of new people too fast.


YOU apparently ignored my earlier comment in #30, namely

"Note: in today's unaffordable market,  builders are going broke because prices are sky-high, and hence the number of houses being built in Oz is actually falling,  so there IS 'slack' among builders which is available to be utilized straight away".   

Quote:
Now bugger orf.


Unlike the BBC editor who DID misleading splice together some comments from Trump, YOU simply failed to address my comment in #30, which I had to repeat in #36.

As for biased editing, every media outlet including the ABC  has biased journalists; today a report on ABC radio noted  "Burgess says China cyber attacks on Oz are increasing".

But halfway down,  in an earlier  written news item,  Burgess added "everyone is doing it in this age of geopolitical  contest."....not reported on the radio report.


The ABC - got to maintain the 'China threat' theory,  eh.... 



I addressed your #36


And I pointed out - again after my #30 - the error in your #36,  ie there is plenty of slack in the building industry caused by unaffordable prices for both builders and buyers, slack which the government can utilize with free treasury-issued money...

Have another shot at wriggling out of misleading editing.....

Meanwhile here is Sky News with its  full blown idiotic bias

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1329473875097540

No mention of the cost of living crisis in NY which is the reason Mamdani was elected.

Deplorable.


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Reply #41 - Nov 22nd, 2025 at 8:28am
 
Seems Trump now loves Mamdani

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"I think you're going to have, hopefully, a really great mayor


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-22/zohran-mamdani-donald-trump-meet-white-ho...
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John Smith wrote on Nov 22nd, 2025 at 8:28am:
Seems Trump now loves Mamdani

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"I think you're going to have, hopefully, a really great mayor


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-22/zohran-mamdani-donald-trump-meet-white-ho...


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