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Reply #135 - Nov 25th, 2025 at 4:47am
 
Nature has a paper but $ to access.

Science has a paper:
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Pandemic epicenter


As 2019 turned into 2020, a coronavirus spilled over from wild animals into people, sparking what has become one of the best documented pandemics to afflict humans. However, the origins of the pandemic in December 2019 are controversial. Worobey et al. amassed the variety of evidence from the City of Wuhan, China, where the first human infections were reported. These reports confirm that most of the earliest human cases centered around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Within the market, the data statistically located the earliest human cases to one section where vendors of live wild animals congregated and where virus-positive environmental samples concentrated. In a related report, Pekar et al. found that genomic diversity before February 2020 comprised two distinct viral lineages, A and B, which were the result of at least two separate cross-species transmission events into humans (see the Perspective by Jiang and Wang). The precise events surrounding virus spillover will always be clouded, but all of the circumstantial evidence so far points to more than one zoonotic event occurring in Huanan market in Wuhan, China, likely during November–December 2019. —CA


Abstract


Understanding how severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) emerged in 2019 is critical to preventing future zoonotic outbreaks before they become the next pandemic. The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, was identified as a likely source of cases in early reports, but later this conclusion became controversial. We show here that the earliest known COVID-19 cases from December 2019, including those without reported direct links, were geographically centered on this market. We report that live SARS-CoV-2–susceptible mammals were sold at the market in late 2019 and that within the market, SARS-CoV-2–positive environmental samples were spatially associated with vendors selling live mammals. Although there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred through the live wildlife trade in China and show that the Huanan market was the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic.


https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

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On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19
Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉
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PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830
In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1 This announcement has sparked significant controversy, as it may be seen as a case where political considerations have influenced, or at least appeared to influence, the interpretation of scientific matters.

The origin of COVID-19 remains a topic of vigorous scientific debate. The most widely supported theory is the natural spillover hypothesis, which posits that the virus was transmitted to humans through a process of accumulated mutations while circulating among animals. This theory is backed by numerous genomic analyses and evolutionary biology studies that support the natural emergence of SARS-CoV-2,2,3,4,5 with concrete evidence showing adaptation processes through recombination events among various hosts such as bats and pangolins.


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12040609/


BMJ:
https://www.bmj.com/content/386/bmj.q1578

Article argues that there is no possibility of the origin of covid 19 ever being decided.


So much for the crap from the high school dropout.
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Reply #136 - Nov 26th, 2025 at 4:00pm
 
Monk's fascination for probing.
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Reply #137 - Nov 26th, 2025 at 4:09pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25th, 2025 at 4:47am:
Re the “lab leak” theory:
[quote]On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19
Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉
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PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830
In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1


Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact the stupid Mong ignores.

Robert Redfield a Virologist and former head of the CDC has said Lab Leak from day 1.
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Reply #138 - Nov 27th, 2025 at 11:32pm
 
Patient zero?

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The latest major revelation in this line emerged this week. Taken at face value, it’s extraordinary: Ben Hu, a high-level researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and two colleagues, Yu Ping and Zhu Yan, could have been the first people on the planet to be infected with SARS-CoV-2, according to anonymous sources cited first in the newsletter Public and then in The Wall Street Journal. These proposed patient SARS-CoV-zeros aren’t merely employees of the virology institute; they’re central figures in the very sort of research that lab-leak investigators have been scrutinizing since the start of the pandemic. Their names appear on crucial papers related to the discovery of new, SARS-related coronaviruses in bats, and subsequent experimentation on those viruses.

Is this the “smoking gun,” at last, as many now insist? Has the Case of the Missing COVID Origin finally been solved? Hu and Yu each denied the allegations in emails to Science, saying they did not get sick in autumn 2019. “My colleagues and I tested for SARS-CoV-2 antibody in early March 2020 and we were all negative,” Hu wrote. But those denials notwithstanding, if these researchers did turn out to be the very first infected people, then their professional activities would mean they almost certainly caught the virus in the lab, not a market stall full of marmots and raccoon dogs. The origins debate has from the start revolved around a pair of dueling “coincidences.” The fact that the pandemic just happened to take off at a wet market suggests that the virus spilled over into humans from animals for sale there. But the fact that it also just happened to take off not too far away from one of the world’s leading bat-coronavirus labs suggests the opposite. This week’s information seems to tip the balance very heavily toward the latter interpretation.

The only problem is, we don’t know whether the latest revelations can be trusted, or to what extent. The newly reported facts appear to stem from a single item of intelligence, furnished by a foreign source, that has bounced around inside the U.S. government since sometime in 2020. Over the past two and a half years, the full description of the sickened workers in Wuhan has been revealed with excruciating slowness, in sedimenting clauses, through well-timed leaks. This glacial striptease has finally reached its end, but is the underlying information even true? Until that question can be answered (which could be never), the origins debate will be stuck exactly where it’s been for many months: always moving forward, never quite arriving.

The story of these sickened workers has been in the public domain, one way or another, since the start of 2021. Officials in the Trump administration’s State Department, reportedly determined to go public with their findings, put out a fact sheet about various events and circumstances at the Wuhan Institute of Virology around the beginning of the pandemic. Included was a quick description of alleged illnesses among the staff. The fact sheet didn’t name the sickened scientists or what they did inside the lab, or when exactly their illnesses occurred. It didn’t specify their symptoms, nor did it say how many scientists had gotten sick.


https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/08/01/has-covids-patient-z...

Sounds very much like hogwash.
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Reply #139 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 6:54pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25th, 2025 at 4:47am:
Re the “lab leak” theory:
[quote]On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19
Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉
Author information
Article notes
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PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830
In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1


Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact the stupid Mong ignores.

Robert Redfield a Virologist and former head of the CDC has said Lab Leak from day 1.


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Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact


Still never been confirmed. One of the Whan lab employees claimed to be case 1 has denied that he ever had covid.
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Reply #140 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 6:55pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 27th, 2025 at 11:32pm:
Patient zero?

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The latest major revelation in this line emerged this week. Taken at face value, it’s extraordinary: Ben Hu, a high-level researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and two colleagues, Yu Ping and Zhu Yan, could have been the first people on the planet to be infected with SARS-CoV-2, according to anonymous sources cited first in the newsletter Public and then in The Wall Street Journal. These proposed patient SARS-CoV-zeros aren’t merely employees of the virology institute; they’re central figures in the very sort of research that lab-leak investigators have been scrutinizing since the start of the pandemic. Their names appear on crucial papers related to the discovery of new, SARS-related coronaviruses in bats, and subsequent experimentation on those viruses.

Is this the “smoking gun,” at last, as many now insist? Has the Case of the Missing COVID Origin finally been solved? Hu and Yu each denied the allegations in emails to Science, saying they did not get sick in autumn 2019. “My colleagues and I tested for SARS-CoV-2 antibody in early March 2020 and we were all negative,” Hu wrote. But those denials notwithstanding, if these researchers did turn out to be the very first infected people, then their professional activities would mean they almost certainly caught the virus in the lab, not a market stall full of marmots and raccoon dogs. The origins debate has from the start revolved around a pair of dueling “coincidences.” The fact that the pandemic just happened to take off at a wet market suggests that the virus spilled over into humans from animals for sale there. But the fact that it also just happened to take off not too far away from one of the world’s leading bat-coronavirus labs suggests the opposite. This week’s information seems to tip the balance very heavily toward the latter interpretation.

The only problem is, we don’t know whether the latest revelations can be trusted, or to what extent. The newly reported facts appear to stem from a single item of intelligence, furnished by a foreign source, that has bounced around inside the U.S. government since sometime in 2020. Over the past two and a half years, the full description of the sickened workers in Wuhan has been revealed with excruciating slowness, in sedimenting clauses, through well-timed leaks. This glacial striptease has finally reached its end, but is the underlying information even true? Until that question can be answered (which could be never), the origins debate will be stuck exactly where it’s been for many months: always moving forward, never quite arriving.

The story of these sickened workers has been in the public domain, one way or another, since the start of 2021. Officials in the Trump administration’s State Department, reportedly determined to go public with their findings, put out a fact sheet about various events and circumstances at the Wuhan Institute of Virology around the beginning of the pandemic. Included was a quick description of alleged illnesses among the staff. The fact sheet didn’t name the sickened scientists or what they did inside the lab, or when exactly their illnesses occurred. It didn’t specify their symptoms, nor did it say how many scientists had gotten sick.


https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/08/01/has-covids-patient-z...

Sounds very much like hogwash.


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Sounds very much like hogwash


Yes but high quality hogwash.
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Reply #141 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 7:16pm
 
And Booby’s 100+ pages of crap in the Bioweapon thread remains. . .100+ pages of crap.
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Reply #142 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 11:40pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25th, 2025 at 4:47am:
Re the “lab leak” theory:
[quote]On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19
Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉
Author information
Article notes
Copyright and License information
PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830
In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1


Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact the stupid Mong ignores.

Robert Redfield a Virologist and former head of the CDC has said Lab Leak from day 1.


The White House know it's a lab leak they aren't going to change this because of a duckwit or stupid incel mong from Tasmania.

This is why they gave Fauci a pre emptive pardon for everything he did from 2014-2024.
They know Fauci funded Peter Daszak to create this virus with NIH funding.

There is no Coronavirus with Furin Cleavage Site at S1/2 in the 1000+ virusus in records.
The gain of function research Dazak did proposed putting a FCS at S1/2.

The WHO has said China has and still obstructs investigation into origins of C19.

Dr Li Wenliang went public with C19 in 2019 the CCP silenced him.

Numerous media from NY Post to WSJ and London Times have reported patient zero was from Wuhan Lab.

China demolished wet market on Jan 1st 2020 2 weeks later they were telling WHO no evidence of human to human Transmission.

Before the end of January China were welding apartment doors shut to contain those with covid.

December 6 2020  China suggested that SARS-CoV-2 could have originated outside China and been imported to Wuhan's Huanan Seafood Market via frozen meat products, including Australian steak.

Peter Daszak organised that Lancet paper calling lab leak a conspiracy theory on February 18, 2020
26 out of the 27 signatories to the February 2020 Lancet letter have documented links to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
These connections were not disclosed in the original letter, where all signatories claimed "no competing interests".

They tried to cover it up Covid 19 was man made.
Fauci funded it through NIH
Daszak from Eco health Allaince proposed the exact virus we got in pandemic.
Made in China under Bio Safety level 2 instead of BSL 3.i
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Reply #143 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 8:19am
 
“The White House. . .”  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #144 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 10:44am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 11:40pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25th, 2025 at 4:47am:
Re the “lab leak” theory:
[quote]On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19
Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉
Author information
Article notes
Copyright and License information
PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830
In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1


Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact the stupid Mong ignores.

Robert Redfield a Virologist and former head of the CDC has said Lab Leak from day 1.


The White House know it's a lab leak they aren't going to change this because of a duckwit or stupid incel mong from Tasmania.

This is why they gave Fauci a pre emptive pardon for everything he did from 2014-2024.
They know Fauci funded Peter Daszak to create this virus with NIH funding.

There is no Coronavirus with Furin Cleavage Site at S1/2 in the 1000+ virusus in records.
The gain of function research Dazak did proposed putting a FCS at S1/2.

The WHO has said China has and still obstructs investigation into origins of C19.

Dr Li Wenliang went public with C19 in 2019 the CCP silenced him.

Numerous media from NY Post to WSJ and London Times have reported patient zero was from Wuhan Lab.

China demolished wet market on Jan 1st 2020 2 weeks later they were telling WHO no evidence of human to human Transmission.

Before the end of January China were welding apartment doors shut to contain those with covid.

December 6 2020  China suggested that SARS-CoV-2 could have originated outside China and been imported to Wuhan's Huanan Seafood Market via frozen meat products, including Australian steak.

Peter Daszak organised that Lancet paper calling lab leak a conspiracy theory on February 18, 2020
26 out of the 27 signatories to the February 2020 Lancet letter have documented links to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
These connections were not disclosed in the original letter, where all signatories claimed "no competing interests".

They tried to cover it up Covid 19 was man made.
Fauci funded it through NIH
Daszak from Eco health Allaince proposed the exact virus we got in pandemic.
Made in China under Bio Safety level 2 instead of BSL 3.




Yet almost everyone who have looked into it admit that they don't have a definitive answer. Most favour one of the best two or three options but all say they can't prove it correct.

Even amoung the group who say the Lab is most likely have different opinions as to the method. They don't agree on gain of function they don't agree on an accidental development, they don't agree on weopens development or much of anything else. They don't even agree on the infection process. There isn't agreement on the wet market or the bat caves or the species it came from. They basically have nothing and can not properly investigate and never did.

Every group that say they have proven something has another group who can prove something different.
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Reply #145 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 11:06am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 11:40pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26th, 2025 at 4:09pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25th, 2025 at 4:47am:
Re the “lab leak” theory:
[quote]On the Controversies Surrounding the Lab-Leak Theory of COVID-19
Jin-Hong Yoo 1,✉
Author information
Article notes
Copyright and License information
PMCID: PMC12040609  PMID: 40296830
In April 2025, the White House of the United States officially declared on its website that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.1


Patient Zero for Covid worked in Wuhan lab which is a fact the stupid Mong ignores.

Robert Redfield a Virologist and former head of the CDC has said Lab Leak from day 1.


The White House know it's a lab leak they aren't going to change this because of a duckwit or stupid incel mong from Tasmania.

This is why they gave Fauci a pre emptive pardon for everything he did from 2014-2024.
They know Fauci funded Peter Daszak to create this virus with NIH funding.

There is no Coronavirus with Furin Cleavage Site at S1/2 in the 1000+ virusus in records.
The gain of function research Dazak did proposed putting a FCS at S1/2.

The WHO has said China has and still obstructs investigation into origins of C19.

Dr Li Wenliang went public with C19 in 2019 the CCP silenced him.

Numerous media from NY Post to WSJ and London Times have reported patient zero was from Wuhan Lab.

China demolished wet market on Jan 1st 2020 2 weeks later they were telling WHO no evidence of human to human Transmission.

Before the end of January China were welding apartment doors shut to contain those with covid.

December 6 2020  China suggested that SARS-CoV-2 could have originated outside China and been imported to Wuhan's Huanan Seafood Market via frozen meat products, including Australian steak.

Peter Daszak organised that Lancet paper calling lab leak a conspiracy theory on February 18, 2020
26 out of the 27 signatories to the February 2020 Lancet letter have documented links to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
These connections were not disclosed in the original letter, where all signatories claimed "no competing interests".

They tried to cover it up Covid 19 was man made.
Fauci funded it through NIH
Daszak from Eco health Allaince proposed the exact virus we got in pandemic.
Made in China under Bio Safety level 2 instead of BSL 3.i



Pretty hard to argue with any of that.
Even CNN and MSNBC eventually concluded it was probably a lab leak
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Reply #146 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 11:08am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 29th, 2025 at 8:19am:
“The White House. . .”  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


The same White House that gave Fauci a pardon for everything from 2014-2024

Obama banned Gain Of Function research in 2014 over a 2011 H5N1 bird flu Gain of function experiment that made the virus airborne in ferrets.

The pardon is backdated to 2014 when Obama banned Gain of Function research.

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Reply #147 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 7:32pm
 

https://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p1556

What did the US intelligence report say?

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On 23 June 2023, the director of national intelligence in the US published findings from intelligence services about the links between covid-19 and a laboratory in the city of Wuhan. Many had hoped that the report would provide evidence that might sway, or even settle, the debate about the laboratory leak theory. But the report found no evidence to prove definitively that a laboratory leak did or did not occur. “Both a natural and laboratory associated origin remain plausible,” the report states.


Does any of this prove that the laboratory leak theory is correct?
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No. As stated above, the US intelligence community has concluded that both the main theories—animal spillover at a wet market and laboratory leak—remain plausible, with a sense of resignation about ever finding a definitive answer.


A separate report also published in June, from the US Government Accountability Office

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confirmed that National Institutes of Health (NIH) funding had gone to WIV and that the EcoHealth Alliance—the US research body partnering with it—“did not properly notify NIH in a timely manner of research at WIV, which, according to NIH, exceeded the safety threshold outlined in the 2016 award conditions.” Again, it cannot say whether a laboratory leak of any virus did or did not occur.


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Many US federal departments have conducted their own separate investigations and have come to unclear and conflicting conclusions. The Energy Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation both lean towards a laboratory leak as being most reasonable—FBI director Christopher Wray made headlines in March by saying he personally thinks a laboratory origin is more likely. Five other US intelligence agencies, however, concluded that natural transmission is more likely. The Central Intelligence Agency has abstained from making even a low confidence judgement, given the lack of evidence.


What is the scientific consensus as it stands?

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Many virologists, epidemiologists, and other infectious disease experts still say that all available evidence points to SARS-COV-2 spilling over to humans from an animal host, most likely at a wet market in Wuhan.




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Independent assessment of the origins of SARS‑CoV‑2
Developed by the Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens (SAGO)

27 June 2025
| COVID-19: Scientific brief

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More than five and a half years have passed since the first reported cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were reported in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Although evidence exists that has improved our understanding of the early and subsequent evolution of the virus in humans and animals, significant data gaps remain which preclude SAGO from concluding with certainty how SARS-CoV-2 initially entered the human population

The 2025 WHO report.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/documents/epp/sago/independent-ass...


So as of June 2025 the answer is that they still don't know.
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Reply #149 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 10:38pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2025 at 7:39pm:
Independent assessment of the origins of SARS‑CoV‑2
Developed by the Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens (SAGO)

27 June 2025
| COVID-19: Scientific brief

Quote:
More than five and a half years have passed since the first reported cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were reported in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Although evidence exists that has improved our understanding of the early and subsequent evolution of the virus in humans and animals, significant data gaps remain which preclude SAGO from concluding with certainty how SARS-CoV-2 initially entered the human population

The 2025 WHO report.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/documents/epp/sago/independent-ass...


So as of June 2025 the answer is that they still don't know.


They didn't rule out possibility of Humans infecting animals at wet market.

Page 40 of your link Duckwit

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WHO Secretariat wrote to the Government of China to request further investigations, audits and other relevant documentation and interviews with staff at the WIV and Wuhan CDC laboratory. . However, this has been refused, no audit files have been made available for review
and, to date, no scientific data or evidence has been made available to SAGO or WHO to evaluate whether a laboratory incident could have initiated the COVID-19 pandemic.


The Government of China has instead proposed that similar investigations be conducted in laboratories in other countries where coronavirus research or reverse genetics studies have been carried out

Since information needed to assess the hypothesis of a lab related event, either during field investigations or a breach in laboratory biosafety - has not been made available to WHO or SAGO, it was not possible for SAGO to evaluate this hypothesis.



WHO couldn't evaluate lab Leak China refused to help with that line of inquiry

Why would China say investigate other labs don't ask us?

Do you think anyone is going to admit to a Lab leak that killed over 20 million people?

Faucis pardon might not be valid.
When Trump signed EOs and pardons the media were there watching and televised it.
Having autopen sign these documents isn't valid they must be signed personally by the President.

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The White House
@WhiteHouse

"I am hereby cancelling all Executive Orders, and anything else that was not directly signed by Crooked Joe Biden, because the people who operated the Autopen did so illegally." - President Donald J. Trump 🇺🇸

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1994494769566028142


China have a long history of bullshitting about Covid they have refused requests by WHO to inspect lab files.


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