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Allen's ALP govt has lost control & credibility
Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:35am

Premier Allan also cited stronger bail rules, though they too have been criticised as magistrates maintain their independence and the ability to prioritise rehabilitation rather than imprisonment.

Those bail laws were again tested last week following the arrest of two teens over the Broadmeadows Station stabbings. One 17-year-old alleged offender was charged with affray, intentionally causing injury and recklessly causing injury.

But when he appeared before a children’s court, he was granted bail.

A 19-year-old, also arrested in connection with the incident, was released without charge pending further investigations.

The updated guide for judges and magistrates from the Judicial College of Victoria, reported on by news.com.au earlier this month, states: “A child, especially an Aboriginal child, should be released on bail, with conditions, wherever possible” and “a decision maker was required to impose the minimum intervention required in the circumstances”.

It goes on to say about Labor’s changes to bail laws: “(Labor’s amendment) does not change the fact that decision makers must consider what constitutes the minimum intervention necessary.

“While community safety must be maximised ‘to the greatest extent possible’, this is not an absolute maximum. It must necessarily allow room for consideration of the other fundamental principles.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/shattered-staggering-number-of-v...

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Reply #1 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:35am:

Premier Allan also cited stronger bail rules, though they too have been criticised as magistrates maintain their independence and the ability to prioritise rehabilitation rather than imprisonment.

Those bail laws were again tested last week following the arrest of two teens over the Broadmeadows Station stabbings. One 17-year-old alleged offender was charged with affray, intentionally causing injury and recklessly causing injury.

But when he appeared before a children’s court, he was granted bail.

A 19-year-old, also arrested in connection with the incident, was released without charge pending further investigations.

The updated guide for judges and magistrates from the Judicial College of Victoria, reported on by news.com.au earlier this month, states: “A child, especially an Aboriginal child, should be released on bail, with conditions, wherever possible” and “a decision maker was required to impose the minimum intervention required in the circumstances”.

It goes on to say about Labor’s changes to bail laws: “(Labor’s amendment) does not change the fact that decision makers must consider what constitutes the minimum intervention necessary.

“While community safety must be maximised ‘to the greatest extent possible’, this is not an absolute maximum. It must necessarily allow room for consideration of the other fundamental principles.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/shattered-staggering-number-of-v...

Jacinta Allen and her ALP government in Victoria are an absolute joke. Crime has skyrocketed under Labor, especially in Melbourne suburbs. Machete attacks continue despite an amnesty and bins for machetes to be handed in. The problem is Labor's weak bail laws, as I've outlined in an excerpt from the linked article. Judges and Magistrates are giving bail to Aboriginal offenders due to their race and instead wanting "minimum intervention". What does that teach them? They get picked up and a few hours later they're out and free again to attack innocent people! Most of these kids are repeat offenders. They should be locked up and the safety of the community put first. It really is the ONLY option. Anything less, which is what we're getting from this pathetic Labor government, is utterly useless.

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Reply #2 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:13am

There needs to be a simple change to bail laws. If you've breached your bail to end up before the Court again or have multiple bail breaches, bail is automatically denied. If you have previously been charged with the same or similar crimes, bail is automatically denied. If you are charged with murder or attempted murder or grievous bodily harm, bail is automatically denied. If you are caught in possession of a knife or machete or other weapon, bail is automatically denied. Bail should only be given in rare, exceptional circumstances. The focus needs to be shifted to the rights of innocent people to feel safe and be kept safe instead of focusing on the offenders.

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Reply #3 - Oct 31^st, 2025 at 3:58pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:13am:

There needs to be a simple change to bail laws. If you've breached your bail to end up before the Court again or have multiple bail breaches, bail is automatically denied. If you have previously been charged with the same or similar crimes, bail is automatically denied. If you are charged with murder or attempted murder or grievous bodily harm, bail is automatically denied. If you are caught in possession of a knife or machete or other weapon, bail is automatically denied. Bail should only be given in rare, exceptional circumstances. The focus needs to be shifted to the rights of innocent people to feel safe and be kept safe instead of focusing on the offenders.

Well that would be only common sense. But there is absolutely no common sense anywhere to be found in the state of Victoria thanks to that appalling woman in charge.

Aboriginals and Africans who are the most physically violent on the streets get carte blanche from the courts. Judges and magistrates continue to ignore any interference in their sentencing. So much for the bail laws unless they are watertight because the courts will continue to make their own judgements - hence their kid glove treatment of these violent offenders.

Where that leaves ordinary Victorians trying to go about their daily lives in safety is another thing.

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Reply #4 - Nov 1^st, 2025 at 7:55am

Aquarius wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:13am:

There needs to be a simple change to bail laws. If you've breached your bail to end up before the Court again or have multiple bail breaches, bail is automatically denied. If you have previously been charged with the same or similar crimes, bail is automatically denied. If you are charged with murder or attempted murder or grievous bodily harm, bail is automatically denied. If you are caught in possession of a knife or machete or other weapon, bail is automatically denied. Bail should only be given in rare, exceptional circumstances. The focus needs to be shifted to the rights of innocent people to feel safe and be kept safe instead of focusing on the offenders.

Well that would be only common sense. But there is absolutely no common sense anywhere to be found in the state of Victoria thanks to that appalling woman in charge.

Aboriginals and Africans who are the most physically violent on the streets get carte blanche from the courts. Judges and magistrates continue to ignore any interference in their sentencing. So much for the bail laws unless they are watertight because the courts will continue to make their own judgements - hence their kid glove treatment of these violent offenders.

Where that leaves ordinary Victorians trying to go about their daily lives in safety is another thing.

Ever since Victorians elected Dan Andrews, the entire state has gone down the crapper. I can't, for the life of me, understand how the ALP keep getting re-elected. The ludicrous thing is that Allen keeps insisting publicly that her changes to bail laws are working when every blind man and his dog can see they are failing dismally. Victoria has become a sh!thole because we have a moron like Allen leading the state and our Federal Senate representative is that colossal asshat activist Lidia Thorpe. Victoria is so screwed!

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Reply #5 - Nov 1^st, 2025 at 10:36am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2025 at 7:55am:

Aquarius wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:13am:

There needs to be a simple change to bail laws. If you've breached your bail to end up before the Court again or have multiple bail breaches, bail is automatically denied. If you have previously been charged with the same or similar crimes, bail is automatically denied. If you are charged with murder or attempted murder or grievous bodily harm, bail is automatically denied. If you are caught in possession of a knife or machete or other weapon, bail is automatically denied. Bail should only be given in rare, exceptional circumstances. The focus needs to be shifted to the rights of innocent people to feel safe and be kept safe instead of focusing on the offenders.

Well that would be only common sense. But there is absolutely no common sense anywhere to be found in the state of Victoria thanks to that appalling woman in charge.

Aboriginals and Africans who are the most physically violent on the streets get carte blanche from the courts. Judges and magistrates continue to ignore any interference in their sentencing. So much for the bail laws unless they are watertight because the courts will continue to make their own judgements - hence their kid glove treatment of these violent offenders.

Where that leaves ordinary Victorians trying to go about their daily lives in safety is another thing.

Ever since Victorians elected Dan Andrews, the entire state has gone down the crapper. I can't, for the life of me, understand how the ALP keep getting re-elected. The ludicrous thing is that Allen keeps insisting publicly that her changes to bail laws are working when every blind man and his dog can see they are failing dismally. Victoria has become a sh!thole because we have a moron like Allen leading the state and our Federal Senate representative is that colossal asshat activist Lidia Thorpe. Victoria is so screwed!

True enough!

The consecutive Labor govts in Victoria have destroyed any faith in the private sector. Businesses are going bankrupt, there's been a sharp decline in business investment and a collapse in the parts of the construction business.

It's created an anti-business environment which proves the fact that Labor govts are hopeless where the economy is concerned. We once used to have a vibrant private sector. Now all we see are boarded up shopfronts and empty office space everywhere. There's no confidence anymore. And that impacts on the whole state.

Labor is useless - yet amazingly the electorate keeps voting for them. It really beggars belief that people can be so stupid to put their faith in a woke govt that is more concerned with Abo treaties and multiculti madness than encouraging private enterprise that (previously) employed most of the state's workers and fostered a booming economy. Now most of the state's workforce seems to employed by the govt. You can see a recession looming ....

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Reply #6 - Nov 2^nd, 2025 at 12:25pm

Aquarius wrote on Nov 1^st, 2025 at 10:36am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2025 at 7:55am:

Aquarius wrote on Oct 31^st, 2025 at 3:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:13am:

There needs to be a simple change to bail laws. If you've breached your bail to end up before the Court again or have multiple bail breaches, bail is automatically denied. If you have previously been charged with the same or similar crimes, bail is automatically denied. If you are charged with murder or attempted murder or grievous bodily harm, bail is automatically denied. If you are caught in possession of a knife or machete or other weapon, bail is automatically denied. Bail should only be given in rare, exceptional circumstances. The focus needs to be shifted to the rights of innocent people to feel safe and be kept safe instead of focusing on the offenders.

Well that would be only common sense. But there is absolutely no common sense anywhere to be found in the state of Victoria thanks to that appalling woman in charge.

Aboriginals and Africans who are the most physically violent on the streets get carte blanche from the courts. Judges and magistrates continue to ignore any interference in their sentencing. So much for the bail laws unless they are watertight because the courts will continue to make their own judgements - hence their kid glove treatment of these violent offenders.

Where that leaves ordinary Victorians trying to go about their daily lives in safety is another thing.

Ever since Victorians elected Dan Andrews, the entire state has gone down the crapper. I can't, for the life of me, understand how the ALP keep getting re-elected. The ludicrous thing is that Allen keeps insisting publicly that her changes to bail laws are working when every blind man and his dog can see they are failing dismally. Victoria has become a sh!thole because we have a moron like Allen leading the state and our Federal Senate representative is that colossal asshat activist Lidia Thorpe. Victoria is so screwed!

True enough!

The consecutive Labor govts in Victoria have destroyed any faith in the private sector. Businesses are going bankrupt, there's been a sharp decline in business investment and a collapse in the parts of the construction business.

It's created an anti-business environment which proves the fact that Labor govts are hopeless where the economy is concerned. We once used to have a vibrant private sector. Now all we see are boarded up shopfronts and empty office space everywhere. There's no confidence anymore. And that impacts on the whole state.

Labor is useless - yet amazingly the electorate keeps voting for them. It really beggars belief that people can be so stupid to put their faith in a woke govt that is more concerned with Abo treaties and multiculti madness than encouraging private enterprise that (previously) employed most of the state's workers and fostered a booming economy. Now most of the state's workforce seems to employed by the govt. You can see a recession looming ....

Businesses are leaving Victoria in droves.

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