MattE wrote on Nov 1^st, 2025 at 7:38pm:


You don't need life experience to flip burgers.

Ask JaSin.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2025 at 8:11pm:

I did a year of Macca's as a kid. It was fun galore. Especially watching other guys sabotage a burger for a very rude adult who demanded adult service by abusing the girls at the front to tears.
Sure bested working a porn shop like you did.

Seems straightforward enough to me. If you are 18 you are classed as an adult and so should receive adult wages. If you are under training then wages can be adjusted until you meet the required skill level, but age itself should not be the determining factor.

Jasin wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 2:14pm:


Bullshyte Jasin ..... you can vote, drink in a pub, go to war, go to big boys jail when you turn 18.

Over 18 should be paid as adults.

21 hasn't been the time of entering full legal adulthood
since 1973..... 52 years ago.

Employer groups have been ripping off adult workers between the ages of 18 & 21 for all those years by classing them as Juniors.


17 & under are juniors.

Jasin wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 2:37pm:


Poor reasoning ... if the 19 yr old is a good worker why would you let him go?

So you'd put him/her off & employ a 17 year old to get out of paying adult wages?

It also depends on the type of work being performed.

When I joined the Railways as a 17 yr old I was paid a junior wage as a Lad Porter.

I got a pay increase when I turned 18 but it was still a junior rate - but when I was sent down into the shunting yard to learn how to shunt it was considered a dangerous job & I was paid the full adult rate.

When I turned 19 in 1975 I was paid full adult Porters rate of pay.

So all the industries renowned for paying shyte wages - retail, hospitality, small business etc. have been taking advantage of people between 18 & 21 for at least 53 yrs ...... and longer.

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You deny them the right to choose for themselves.

How arrogant do you have to be to tell someone, oh no we won't let you earn any money, you have to be jobless to prevent people "taking advantage" of you, and good luck getting the experience everyone tells you you need to get a job.

The economic reality is that if you force people to be jobless rather than accept a lower rate of pay, you are creating unemployment, and no amount of spin and bluster from the unions can change that reality. Maybe we could give the unions some credit if they were at least honest about the tradeoffs, but it is hard to when all they do is lie. Luckily people have figured out for themselves that the end result of handing over their hard earned money to the unions year after year may be a trip to centrelink when the unions make your position unviable. Which is why the more people find out for themselves, the fewer join unions.

freediver wrote on Nov 5^th, 2025 at 12:34pm:


Utter bullshyte.

What is the problem of trying to improve the working conditions/pay rates of individuals who should be paid adult rates of pay because they are legally adults??????

They aren't juniors.... why should they be on junior pay rates?

I think the height of arrogance is people like you who think that it's reasonable.

Why do you think they should be accepting a lower wage just to keep a job because they work for someone who has been taking advantage of an outdated Junior wages system?

What rates were you paid when you were 18?

When did you consider you were an adult?   

Belgarion wrote on Nov 4^th, 2025 at 9:33pm:

But that's the whole flaw of it.
At 18 & 19 THEY ARE NOT ADULTS.
They are teenagers and the same teenagers as 13 & 14 year olds are.
Even Australian LAWS in themselves have got it wrong.in so many ways to start with.

The best example: 16 year old KIDS having babies because the LAW allows them to 'legally'. Come now. Are we still living 1000 years ago where people died of old age at just 50?